Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of targeted killings by Israel

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The result was merge‎ to List of Israeli assassinations. Renaming is a separate issue which can be debated on the article talk page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:12, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of targeted killings by Israel[edit]

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Merge with/into List of Israeli assassinations or List of targeted killings by Israel. This new article is the same scope and duplicative. Open to a discussion about whether List of targeted killings by Israel (to match the main article Targeted killing by Israel) or List of Israeli assassinations is the better merge target. My preference is for the former. Longhornsg (talk) 17:28, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Query: How duplicative is the content? I'm sure there's some overlap, but there is also likely some grey area between targeted killing and assassination, and it's possible that these lists aggregate events that are described with one term or the other, but are not described as both in the sources, which could raise questions about how best to reconcile the content. How was the assessment that these lists are in fact duplicative reached (I haven't had time to go over it myself), and what is the extent? Iskandar323 (talk) 18:02, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just went through the lists, item by item, and there's about 80% overlap. The targeting killings list has a couple (eg Bahtini) that are not on the more comprehensive and inclusive assassination list, but I chalk that up to the outdated nature of the assassinations list, rather than a definitional or source-driven purposeful differentiation that would preclude their addition (for example, I would expect to see Iranian scientists as "assassinations," while Hamas military commanders as "targeted killings", but the lists make no such distinction). Open to other opinions, but from my perusal of both the targeted killings and assassinations lists, there's no clear rhyme or reason why an entry may be on one, or both). As assassinations are a subset of targeted killings, it may be easier just to fold everything on to the latter page. Longhornsg (talk) 18:28, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists and Israel. Shellwood (talk) 18:37, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, provided that the merged page is moved to List of assassinations and targeted killings by Israel See https://academic.oup.com/book/4558/chapter/146658764 Selfstudier (talk) 18:44, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's a healthy academic and policy debate about assassinations and targeted killings. I would note that the opinion of Miller, a philosopher, does not reflect the consensus of international law and terrorism experts, who generally place assassinations as a subset of targeted killings. No reason to use the longer name, when we can use a more concise and inclusive term. Longhornsg (talk) 18:59, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there is a consensus for this. As the Miller source also states: "targeted killing needs to be distinguished from assassination, a practice that is typically unlawful." Not minor. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:38, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If anything, targeted killing is more like a subset of assassination that has been deemed somewhat legally permissible in certain circumstances, but still occupies a very grey area. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:40, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

who generally place assassinations as a subset of targeted killings The sources given at Assassination#Targeted killing also suggest that the two are distinct so not only Miller.Selfstudier (talk) 15:41, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the assessment of the overlap, I think I would also support a merge to List of Israeli assassinations alongside a retitling as List of assassinations and targeted killings by Israel, since I have to side with Miller in agreeing that "Targeted killings and assassinations are closely related, but not identical, phenomena". The assassination of militant leaders might often fall under the definition of targeted killings, but there are also entries in these lists that it would be inappropriate to shoehorn into a 'targeted killing' definition. This includes, for example, the killing of Kamal Nasser, a politician and poet, as well as the assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists, i.e.: individuals who represent a somewhat hypothetical and very much indirect threat versus individuals who might be reasonably be construed as combatants. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:35, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment "Israeli assassinations" and "assassinations by Israel" are not the same thing. The first could be any assassination in Israel as well as assassinations carried out by Israeli individuals and authorities. The second is narrower and is about assassinations carried out by the Israeli authorities. I recommend going for the article title that best describes the killings to be included in the article/list scope. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:45, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Orientls (talk) 17:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.