Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Peoria

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The result was delete. The arguments that this is so poorly sourced as not to warrant a merger are convincing. Sandstein 07:10, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of tallest buildings in Peoria[edit]

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Does not meet WP:LISTN. Almost none of these buildings are notable. The two that are notable are for historical reasons, not their height. Rusf10 (talk) 05:19, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 05:19, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 05:19, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 05:19, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:37, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete/merge Buildings are not very tall at all and largely not notable either individually or as a group. The tallest can be mentioned at Peoria,_Illinois#Cityscape but having a few 10- to 20-story office buildings does not warrant a Tall Buildings list. Reywas92^Talk 05:27, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/Redirect to Peoria, Illinois. Only 2 of 11 buildings have articles. Sources are sparse. WP:Preserve 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:31, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OTOH, there are lots of similar lists for lots of cities that have smaller buildings. See e.g., List of tallest buildings in Gary and Talk:List of tallest buildings in Gary. In that sense, there is just a need to improve the sourcing. Cf. List of tallest buildings in Rockford, Illinois, which implicitly shows sources exist to improve this article in like manner. WP:Not paper. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:21, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would also note, as I discussed on the talk page of this article, that the list is apparently incomplete. 3 churches and 14 high rise buildings per Emporis. This should be subject to expansion. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:27, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

St. Mary's Cathedral 230 ft - church 1889

2 Northwoods Community Church 2 church 1997
3 Sacred Heart Catholic Church - church 1906>=<br<

The high rises are: 1 Twin Towers I 3 308 ft 29 high-rise building 1984
2 Twin Towers II 3 308 ft 29 high-rise building 1984
3 Commerce Bank Building 2 256 ft 17 high-rise building 1920
4 Associated Bank Plaza 3 243 ft 20 high-rise building 196
5 Becker Building 4 211 ft 16 high-rise building 1993
6 Hotel Père Marquette 8 187 ft 14 high-rise building 1927
7 Glen Oak Towers 1 168 ft 15 high-rise building 1953
8 Lehmann Building 161 ft 12 high-rise building 1916
9 Chase Bank Building 135 ft 9 high-rise building 1904
10 Caterpillar Administration Building 1 134 ft 8 high-rise building 1967
11 Central Building 1 128 ft 10 high-rise building 1914
12 PNC Bank Building 5 13 high-rise building 1926
13 River Valley Plaza 2 12 high-rise building 1910
14 401 Water Street 1 8 high-rise building 1905

If we are DISCUSSING deleting this article, we should consider WP:NEXIST 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:51, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First of all the existence of articles for other cities means nothing, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Second Emporis is not a reliable source, it is WP:UGC--Rusf10 (talk) 14:43, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Prve your claim that Emporis is what you claim it is. Djflem (talk) 22:19, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Djflem:I started a discussion on this, see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Emporis.com. I am certain it is not reliable, but if you think you can prove otherwise go ahead.--Rusf10 (talk) 23:18, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Tallest buildings lists should not be made for every small town that happens to have a few buildings that are barely outside the definition of a skyscraper (Emporis sets the bar at 100m, CTBUH at 150m). Not to mention the lack of coverage that can be found from a non-database, non-local newspaper source. Sounder Bruce 22:08, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I since the nominator doesn't believe Emporis is invalid, he would agree that this ivote would also be invalid since it bases it argument on it, right?

Djflem (talk) 22:19, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rusf10 WP:NEXIST has nothing to do with the existence of other articles. You mischaracterized what I and that guideline state.

Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article
The absence of sources or citations in an article (as distinct from the non-existence of sources) does not indicate that a subject is not notable. Notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate presence or citation in an article. Editors evaluating notability should consider not only any sources currently named in an article, but also the possibility or existence of notability-indicating sources that are not currently named in the article. Thus, before proposing or nominating an article for deletion, or offering an opinion based on notability in a deletion discussion, editors are strongly encouraged to attempt to find sources for the subject in question and consider the possibility of existent sources if none can be found by a search.

7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:53, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

user:7&6=thirteen So, what sources have you found (other than Emporis.com)? You cannot just declare there are sources without proof. Furthermore, do the sources meet WP:LISTN discussing the buildings as a group?--Rusf10 (talk) 15:26, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/Redirect to Peoria, Illinois.Djflem (talk) 22:21, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The entire article is constructed from this page on Emporis, which is a site that publishes user-generated content. Additionally, the data in the list doesn't even match either of the cited sources, which calls into question where this information is coming from. Since the entire list is improperly sourced and does not meet WP:LISTN, it should be deleted. — Newslinger talk 04:46, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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