Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of symbols found on electronic equipment

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy deleted by User:MZMcBride (G7 - author request). Canley (talk) 03:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of symbols found on electronic equipment

Non-free image gallery. Lacks context or purpose. MBisanz ^talk 00:37, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete maybe speedy, though it doesn't quite fit any criteria. Far outside the bounds of fair use rules. Mr.Z-man 00:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The purpose of this list is to serve as a visual glossary for identifying symbols on electronic equipment. I don't see how that is pointless. These images are being used for reference...how am I breaking the rules? Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 00:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I think the concept of an index is promising, but this cruft would need a fresh start. The images are too large and the existing content is indiscriminate and inaccurate - whoever built this wasn't even reading the descriptions of the images included. Potatoswatter (talk) 00:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I might also add that the reason I started this article was because after a long time searching the Internet, I could not find any such list for identifying such symbols. To date, I have still not been able to identify the symbol I was looking for, and I was hoping others would help expand the list. Eventually, the list would serve me good, if no one else. Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 00:48, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Potatoswatter, perhaps you could correct these captions. Keep in mind it has only had one editor so far. Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 00:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you want to use the Wikimedia Commons instead. Potatoswatter (talk) 00:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If I understand your last statement correctly, you are advising I remove this list and instead create it in the commons section. Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 00:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not so good with all the copyright issues, so I can't really give any positive advice here. Most of your images should be good because their represented organizations want public familiarity. But you need to reference that fact for each image. Also, more than half the images aren't from electronic equipment at all. Before looking at the page, I expected to see logos for the Underwriters Laboratories and such, in thumbnail form. That could be useful, as often such symbols carry legends in other languages. Potatoswatter (talk) 01:07, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused. All of the images featured, to the best of my knowledge, appear on electronic equipment. I'm not good with the copyrights, either, so it sounds like my best option is to create some sort of catalogue in the Commons area. I agree, such images would be useful, although they are registered trademarks, and I haven't worked with those before. I'm not sure about the legality issues they pose. I have copied the contents of the page to a user subpage, in case this is deleted, to serve as a base for creating the Commons catalogue. I'll have to do a bit of research before I can get the categories created there. I really appreciate your input on this, by the way. Actually, in the Commons area, it might be perfectly legal to include any image I like in the category pages. Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 01:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It does appear to be crufty. Most of the images appear on other pages e.g. ESRB perhaps this could be reworked to point through to the various pages? --Deadly∀ssassin 01:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Bob: The problem is, you're using "fair use" images (that is, fully copyrighted images that we don't have a license for), in a gallery which has no legally defensible use. Your personal use is one matter, but Wikipedia is rather strict about the use of unlicensed copyrighted material. We're not saying it's not a good idea, or that it's pointless (I'm not, anyway), but it's something that could, potentially, get Wikipedia in trouble. Many of these symbols are trademarks which, if you read the article, the trademark owner is required to defend the mark against dilution else lose it. We'd rather not be involved in such situations, so we can't allow galleries like this. Make sense? ~Kylu (u|t) 01:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm definitely not one to break the law, so I want to thank you for bringing all of this to my attention, everyone. In probably a bit too much of a haste, I reproposed the original challenge here. I am now beginning to wonder if even this could get Wikipedia into trouble. If so, I'll promptly remove the entire request and abandon the project. Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 01:32, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you're sure that you want it deleted you can blank the page as you're the creator and only editor so that it qualified for speedy deletion. --Deadly∀ssassin 01:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I will blank it, but I was trying to save a copy for my reference in case I am permitted to create the Commons pages of which we spoke. Earlier when I copied the text to a subpage in my Username, I returned to find it missing. Am I not allowed to maintain a copy past the deletion, in order to help me put together a less controversial page? At this point I am almost ready to just give up defending my actions...I spent an entire week simply working on this page. To have to relocate images when moving it to Commons would really be inconvenient. Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 01:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You should be able to. The point for AfD is discussion of the article, not to beat you into submission to see other people's point of view. :) Blank only if you are sure. As for the copy you made, remember that the URL may be case sensitive which could be how you lost it. --Deadly∀ssassin 01:46, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I got this link from your contribs [1] for your copy. --Deadly∀ssassin 01:47, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2? I wonder how that happened? Thanks for the link. Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 01:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like you accidentally didn't put it under your user namespace and someone moved it. There's this [2] copy too. --Deadly∀ssassin 01:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - not only is there a massive fair-use violation here, the subject fails WP:NOT#INFO. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 01:41, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete criterion G12 - blatant copyright infringement, a list copyrighted images with little context or justification for their use. Guest9999 (talk) 02:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

HELLO PEOPLE-- Yes, I am blanking the page. My question is whether it would be acceptable to do this in the Commons area in category format. Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 02:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article is ready for deletion now.

Thank you, Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 02:19, 24 April 2008 (UTC) Creator of the article[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.