Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of specific crimes in Newcastle

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:14, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of specific crimes in Newcastle[edit]

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This is a pretty random topic, and is a poorly sourced mess. Newcastle (at least the Newcastle being referred to here) is in no way large enough to have a "list of specific crimes" article that wouldn't be seriously stretching notability and/or BLP. The Drover's Wife (talk) 12:57, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment less a list and more a handful of short articles smooshed together. I'm wondering if either splitting or renaming might help. Artw (talk) 14:26, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This article was created as a merger of two articles on questionably notable crimes, back in 2009. As a result, this is fundamentally a WP:COATRACK and should probably go on that ground, if nothing else. I'm dubious whether a split is beneficial, as I'm not sure the individual events are notable. Also, fundamentally, I don't think this is how the project has tended to handle crime history by location. The only lists I can find that are structured in this way are similar (if mostly longer) efforts for Melbourne, Sydney, and Western Australia. All of them have issues with list inclusion criteria, end-runs around notability standards for criminal events, and (at least) the possibility of BLP violations. Should this article be deleted, the rest may warrant a trip to AFD as well. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 14:42, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I think "WP is not news" says we should not cover everything that happens, including ordinary crimes. Putting them together as a list does not change this policy. BayShrimp (talk) 16:38, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per most of the above; not sure if BLP applies here. Two run-of-the-mill murders that wouldn't merit their own articles in a ridiculous list by location. The other three "List of specific crimes in xxx" should definitely be nominated as well. (And what exactly is so "specific" about these crimes?) Clarityfiend (talk) 00:30, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Per the comments here here, I have nominated the other three existent articles along these lines for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of specific crimes in Melbourne, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of specific crimes in Western Australia and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of specific crimes in Sydney. The Drover's Wife (talk) 02:04, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Bduke (Discussion) 02:08, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Rcsprinter123 (gas) @ 18:28, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Rcsprinter123 (warn) @ 18:28, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Unspecified criteria for inclusion ("specific"), vague definition and scope, WP:COATRACK for author to indulge personal interests. WWGB (talk) 04:52, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete strange as I expected the article to list crimes that are only specific to the location like byelaws and the like, "thou cant feed cattle on foo street", so clearly a confused topic and being used as a collector of non-notable events. MilborneOne (talk) 11:41, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to either List of major crimes in Newcastle or Timeline of major crime in Newcastle. Any coatracking should be addressed by removing inappropriate material, or filling gaps. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 19:57, 19 January 2015 (UTC).
  • Merge what? Two routine murders that don't have articles? Clarityfiend (talk) 21:41, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Honestly, after looking at Timeline of major crimes in Australia, I don't have much good to say about the state of that list, either. It's largely unreferenced, extremely over-inclusive, and has more than few entries that make me nervous from a BLP standpoint. I'd be far more inclined to take it to AFD than to add more there. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 21:51, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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