Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of software companies in India

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:15, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of software companies in India[edit]

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A hopeless unsourced list with no criteria for inclusion. We don't have any other "List of software companies in X" articles, this one appears to randomly place companies in cities, most of the companies aren't even Indian, and most are primarily known for other things (e.g. Tata Consultancy Services, CGI Group, Nvidia, Deloitte Consulting). Jayjg ^(talk) 22:05, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree, if you think that other article are not there thats why you nominated or if you think that this article missing reference(I can see good sources) or having incorrect data then I think before nomination you should have tried to improve article, instead of nomination here. Atleast tagged article with some improvement tag and if that failed then this step should have been taken. I dont know which background you come from but TCS,CGI are mostly known for software industry. About criteria for inclusion is clearly written in article "This list contains some notable Information Technology companies based in India or having development centers in India." Please read the article carefully before nominating for deletion, dont jump on some conclusion based on your own thoughts. KuwarOnline ^Talk 07:31, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 01:02, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete I think the article is just a little to general WP:SALAT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djohns21 (talk • contribs) 06:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I know lack of sources is usually not a reason for deletion, but in this case I think it should be, mainly from practical reasons. This is not a very new list, it has been there since May 2010, so there has been enough time for the creator or any interested party to add sources and verify notability. However, there doesn't seem to be any intent or interest to do so. If one would challenge all unsourced entries and remove them, we will be left with a handful of companies, which is practically the same as removing the list. If someone objects to this deletion, let them start by sourcing a reasonable portion of the entries to show it has potential. Otherwise, I think it is worse than nothing. I would also think the inclusion criteria would need to be defined and listed, but this can be done easily. --Muhandes (talk) 07:05, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Are you seriously going to challenge that Wipro writes software just because there's no inline ref in this article. See WP:NOEFFORT and WP:SOFIXIT. FuFoFuEd (talk) 04:05, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - No, I'm going to challenge that Symantec develops software in India, because it isn't even mentioned in the Symantec article. Or that EXL even develops software, again, I had a look at its article. That's just the two random clicks I made. The entire list is (in my humble opinion) worthless, since no single editor has ever taken any effort to verify anything in it even makes sense. I don't think such lists are worth keeping. In case you wonder, I removed those two random companies from the list now --Muhandes (talk) 21:14, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - Really? ~ 30% of Symantec's R&D is done in India according to [1]. They have "development centres in Pune and Chennai [that] employ 2,500 engineers." FuFoFuEd (talk) 23:15, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - As for EXL, inclusion in this list is debatable indeed, being in the ITES-BPO sector. It's more suitable for Business process outsourcing in India, and frankly this list could use some expansion to an article along the structure of that one. FuFoFuEd (talk) 00:28, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. No good reason to delete. All entries have blue-link wiki articles. FuFoFuEd (talk) 03:59, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- In essence, I agreed above that not having source is not usually a reason to delete, but I believe this is a case where we do no good to our readers in keeping it. Of course there are only blue links, that's because I removed the ones weren't (which were a majority of the list). As shown above, two random links of those blue links showed two companies which should not have been in that list to begin with. Having a blue link is proof of nothing. Then again, if you, or anyone else, states an intent to improve the list, I will reverse my opinion. --Muhandes (talk) 21:19, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Perhaps you could add General Motors, Bombardier and Nestlé to the list. They all have blue links, and I'm sure they all write software too of various sorts. Jayjg ^(talk) 03:22, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Most of the companies like GM, Nestle etc outsource there software development to other pure software development companies like TCS, Infosys etc, Every big/small companies need specific software to run there business, so they dont go and develop them self, but they outsource. Offcourse they have there own software dept for integration and testing, not for development. I cant believe I m explaining this why software industry exist, what kind of job they do. I think wiki should allow only adults to edit articles here. KuwarOnline ^Talk 09:26, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - I'm sure personal insults always get you what you want. However, in Wikipedia we try to avoid ad hominem arguments and stick to the facts. I think you may have misunderstood Jayjg's comment. His comment was that claiming "All entries have blue-link wiki articles" (what FuFoFuEd claimed) would lead, hyperbolically, to the inclusion of General Motors, Bombardier and Nestlé - they all have blue links and they must have some "software" presence in India. The list needs clear and strict criteria (I try to add such) and at least some minimal effort of verification that indeed entries in the list adhere to these criteria. If no one intends to do this, I agree that the list is better off not existing. --Muhandes (talk) 13:40, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - Yes, that was my point. All large companies have blue links, and all have software departments of some sort or other. "All entries have blue-link wiki articles" is not an argument for keeping. Jayjg ^(talk) 19:50, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - No, it wasn't personal attack on him, Its my experience from last 5 years on wiki says. Some inexperienced editors added some companies which are not software related which lead to deletion of this list, that only reason I said "wiki should allow adults to edit articles". Some times even everything as per guidelines/policies still we need to fight for article what to keep and what not. Even if that article clearly as per policies, still we fighting for it. Simply we get comments like above by Jayjg who believes to add non software(GM, nestle) companies to this list? If they are main stream software companies then just go ahead and add, no body has issue with that, but before adding anything person should understand what he is doing, Even I was amazed to see comments by Jayjg that Tata Consultancy Services is not Software company, which is totally wrong, TCS is India's largest software company[2], [3] which employs more than 2,00,000 (2 Lac) people across globe. Finally this list comply what Wikipedia policies says a list should have. This list clearly says that it should contain notable software companies and not everything/every company. As per guideline about list, its says that every list should have notable companies/article(certainly we only create article for notable companies) with/without non-notable but certainly notable to add to list etc etc. see WP:AOAL, WP:LISTN, WP:LISTCOMPANY. If there are few entries which are not related to software companies we can certainly remove that, deleting articles is not always a option. KuwarOnline ^Talk 06:16, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - If you did not mean that personally I apologize.--Muhandes (talk) 20:47, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. If kept, it should be in a tabular form otherwise the list will become too long, since one company may have its offices in various places of India. Guitarist^<<Talk>> 15:07, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It seems a good proper list . It meets the criteria for lists on wikipedia.Shyamsunder (talk) 20:55, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but purge every unreferenced entry.Stuartyeates (talk) 01:29, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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