Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of schools offering the International Baccalaureate Diploma Programme

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Mr.Z-man 05:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of schools offering the International Baccalaureate Diploma Programme

I think the nominator at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of schools offering the International Baccalaureate Middle Years Programme meant to include these two related articles, but there is no consensus to delete them, or even much of a notice that they exist. Presumably the same rationale applies. Cool Hand Luke 08:00, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thank you Luke, I should probably have nominated those as well. I certainly advocate deletion, for the same reason we deleted the List of schools offering the International Baccalaureate Middle Years Programme; there is an authoritative database freely available online, there are nearly two thousand possible members of the list, and the job can be done with less maintenance through categories. This was endorsed by strong consensus in the earlier debate. Cruftbane 09:51, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per WP:NOT#DIR. This isn't the type of material we should be updating; the earlier debate was correct. --Dhartung | Talk 13:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions. —Camaron1 | Chris 17:12, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. List of notable educational institutions. This list is no more of a directory than ANY OTHER LIST. Either delete all lists or scrap this entire notion of WP:NOT#DIR all together. Burntsauce 17:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I don't think this is the right forum to scrap NOT#DIR, and you must admit that this is much longer and difficult to maintain than most lists—say, the list of U.S. Presidents, or even list of second season Ugly Betty episodes. Cool Hand Luke 18:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This article is exactly what lists are for and fits the textbook definition of WP:LIST of where and how lists should be used, in manners that can never be achieved using categories, as suggested. There is no commitment that the list will be synchronized with the IB website, other than to list articles, and the argument that there is an authoritative source elsewhere is not just an argument to get rid of this list and all other lists in Wikipedia, it's a demand that we junk Wikipedia in its entirety as there are always going to be sources or details that aren't reflected in the articles we have. As to WP:NOT#DIR, this list provides a clear, well-defined, unambiguously-classified list of useful information. While there are many schools that could meet the qualification, the number of school articles is far smaller, and far easier to manage than, say, List of shopping malls in the United States, which lists a potential universe of 46,990 shopping malls and centers in the nation, a few dozen times larger than the maximum here. Plain and simple, there is no Wikipedia policy justification for deletion of this list, other than WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Alansohn 19:25, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
strong delete unmaintained (or it would be complete) and unmaintainable list. Chris 21:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Must all incomplete lists be deleted per Wikipedia policy? Is there any violation of Wikipedia policy that requires this article's deletion or is this just WP:IDONTLIKEIT? Alansohn 21:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Crying "incomplete" is an absurd argument for deletion, as Wikipedia is a perpetual work-in-progress. The list is unambiguously-classified and maintained quite well based upon my own examination. Sad to see that the WP:BIAS against schools hasn't died down. Silensor 04:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Whilst the programme itself may be notable, a list of schools that has it is completely usless. What could be mentioned in the IB article is that there are "X" amount of schools that have it. Twenty Years 14:04, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Dhartung and 20. CRGreathouse (t | c) 02:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete obviously per WP:NOT#DIR. Eusebeus 19:02, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is an encyclopedic subject and a maintainable list, and meets our list guidelines for inclusion. RFerreira 21:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is a very important list and one that many will look up. Every effort should be made to update it regularly. Most people looking for the info will look here as the IBO website is not as easy to navigate as Wikipedia and this allows quick movement from the list for one country to another.Avman M 13:21, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.