Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of roads in Baltimore County, Maryland

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. The article does have a standard for inclusion though this is not followed as it should be. Tagging for cleanup. Malinaccier (talk) 04:14, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of roads in Baltimore County, Maryland

List consisting of many nonnotable named roads that is poorly organized. Dough4872 (talk) 14:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, no standards for inclusion. Nyttend (talk) 15:18, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep there is a standard for inclusion, "major and notable roads". Seemingly ones with articles or that could have articles. Being poorly organized and containing many nonnotable examples isn't a reason to delete an article, it's a reason to edit it. Deletion isn't punishment/cleanup. --Chiliad22 (talk) 17:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Virtually all of these roads listed here could have either standalone articles or be redirected somewhere. This list does not include side streets or other extremely minor roads. Sebwite (talk) 01:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per several guidelines listed under Wikipedia:Lists. Under Purposes of lists, fits all three purposes, being Information, Navigation, and Development. It is not a comprehensive directory; it lists roads that have standalone articles, are parts of numbered routes that have articles, or that could potentially be redirected somewhere. Sebwite (talk) 18:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Chiliad22. Jenuk1985 | Talk 19:59, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Question: does this include Baltimore, which is an independent city? --Rschen7754 (T C) 22:41, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It appears to include only roads in the county, though of course every road that exits the city goes into the county. Rklear (talk) 02:06, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is noted whenever a road listed goes into the city or some other county. Sebwite (talk) 01:40, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The primary reason I nominated this article for deletion is that despite the fact it includes some notable roads, it also includes some unnumbered roads that do not seem to demonstrate notability, such as Cockeys Mill Road, which appears to be a relatively short local road that runs to a dead end [1]. There are many other suburban counties throughout the United States that have similar numbers of these type of roads, and they do not have canocial lists. Baltimore County is no exception. Dough4872 (talk) 02:24, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I made most of this list. While some roads like this do seem minor, I felt that if a road had a notable landmark on it, even if it could not have a standalone article, it could be listed here for informational purposes as the road that the landmark is on. Obviously, I would not list the run-of-the-mill side street that is lined with residential houses, but has little if anything else. Sebwite (talk) 03:43, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Judging by the contents and the name of the article, this doesn't just include roads that pass Wikipedia's notability criteria. Perhaps "list of major roads...", with "major" requiring an article, would be useful (no problems with criteria), but in its current state there's nothing keeping out the problem roads. Nyttend (talk) 04:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The problem here are the total lack of references. I could about accept including roads that are referenced within the linked article, but the unlinked roads need references or be cut (along with the minor roads that don't belong here to begin with) - Mgm|^(talk) 10:11, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For those that are linked, it is a well-accepted practice on Wikipedia that references are not required on lists. As for those that are not linked, any map serves as a reference for those that are unlinked. The information that is provided is what you can find in a map, such as where it starts and ends, what areas it passes through, or what landmarks are located along the road. If there were any additional information listed in the "notes" column, they would then have to be referenced. I actually included links to locations on Google Maps in a few places so the reader could "get a picture" of certain place. Sebwite (talk) 15:04, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Maryland-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 23:17, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and cleanup - Valid list, though the scope, etc. needs to be taken care of. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 04:48, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.