Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of pubs in Sheffield

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:50, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of pubs in Sheffield[edit]

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Simply a list or directory of non-notable pubs. Mostly unsourced. Notable pubs, such as Kelham Island Tavern, have their own articles. Fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY and attracts clutter. SilkTork (talk) 14:49, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink, Lists, and England. Shellwood (talk) 15:37, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Wikipedia is not a directory of non-notable local businesses. Notable pubs may be provided at List of pubs in the United Kingdom. Reywas92^Talk 06:31, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per Reywas92's statement. WP:NOTDIR applies. Ajf773 (talk) 08:52, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Refactoring the article as an overview of the topic, in the style of Pubs in Brighton, might be a way forward. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 09:03, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think the above is a good idea and that it should be done as soon as possible, but I am not up to the job. Someone in Sheffield?? Bduke (talk) 01:05, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I also like the suggestion from Hassocks, though that would be a different page with a different name, and should have no impact on this AfD. What we are considering here is if this List of pubs in Sheffield, which has been problematic from inception in 2005, meets our inclusion criteria. What Hassocks is suggesting is creating an article on Pubs in Sheffield, which will be an article rather than a list, so will have a different focus, and a different structure. On looking back at the article history, I note that the list has been nominated for deletion soon after creation - the discussion closed as no consensus. Interesting to note that the keep comments centred on improving the article. The problem with "keep and clean up", is that the clean up is rarely done - here we are 18 years later, and despite people putting on tags saying they are concerned about the article, nobody has actually cleaned it up. We have nothing worthwhile to keep. Not the name, not the concept, not the layout, not the contents. The contents are a random selection of pubs, some of which no longer exist. It only lists three pubs in Hillsborough (S6 postcode), while the more useful Sheffield Pub Guide lists 18, and the comprehensive WhatPub lists 26. SilkTork (talk) 09:26, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Clear cut WP:NODIRECTORY violation. Srijanx22 (talk) 16:54, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I have deleted my earlier comment. Clearly the idea of having an article on Pubs in Sheffield would be be much better than what we have here. Could someone closer to Sheffield than me do that? Bduke (talk) 06:02, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Deprodded this hoping a discussion would come up with some ideas on how to better present the material, much of which is unsourced. There are books on Sheffield pubs so it likely is a valid topic for the encyclopedia. A list format could work but it would need its inclusion criteria defining more strictly than this article does. Rupples (talk) 06:29, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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