Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of political revolutionaries

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The result was ~~let them face the firing squad~~ delete. Note to those wanting to keep this list: We have Wikipedia:Categories, and these categories can have subcategories for revolutionaries of every flavour! Sandstein (talk) 22:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of political revolutionaries

Inherently POV unreferenced list of ridiculous content, defined as " a list of individuals and groups that may be considered politically revolutionary" an listing Idi Amin and Huey P. Newton of Black Panthers and Peter Kropotkin in one and the same bunch. `'Míkka >t 02:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Definitely a POV list. What makes somebody politically revolutionary?? - Rjd0060 (talk) 02:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I dunno, maybe the fact that those people advocated for a swift overthrow of dominant regimes or political systems? digitalemotion 04:11, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is there some sort of litmus-test for inclusion on this list? - Rjd0060 (talk) 05:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't know if this would help but I'll say it anyway. Revolutions are significant changes in a short period of time so revolutionaries should be people whose actions or influence produce lasting change. People who refuse political authorities are called rebels. They should be recognized by history first as revolutionaries. For this article to survive we should remove the rebels from the true revolutionaries. For the surviving members, an sourced explanation of their exploits should be included to tell us why they should be considered as revolutionaries.--Lenticel ^(talk) 03:58, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is a silly list. The IRA are listed as a 'revolutionary group', not the first phrase which leaps to mind when you think of the provos. Linking anarchists such as Kropotkin or democrats such as Havelwith thugs such as Amin in political terms is absurd. Nick mallory (talk) 07:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete An indiscriminate list. Potentially endless. Anybody who's ever been involved in a coup of some kind (or plotted one) could be included. --Folantin (talk) 11:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think that a clearer criterion and oversight to avoid POV is necessary but that this could be made into a good list. "Political revolutionaries" are people who, one way or another, fought for an overthrow of the existing order. It's a broad but very real category. Cadriel (talk) 13:44, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- NAil meet the hammer. "Category" is the word. List is pointless and useless: There are thousands of people who wanted to overthrow. Starting from Jesus Christ. `'Míkka >t 16:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete completely POV, one persons political revolutionary is anothers terrorist. RMHED (talk) 17:43, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep Some work is needing done, by categories like this add value to WP. scope_creep (talk) 19:10, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. and Folantin. JohnCD (talk) 22:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless someone (and by that I mean "I sure as heck don't care enough to do it") can make this giant pile of wikilinks into some categories that make sense; either type, origin, success rate, current status, or something. Otherwise, it's only a list like "stuff made up in school one day." —Scouter Sig 22:53, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the textbook example of the indiscriminate list of blue links. It started with three names more than 5 years ago (Fidel, Che, and Francisco Madero), and it just kept growing. Names are added and taken off. Is Hugo Chavez there today? No? Be the first on you block to add his name. Or not. Mandsford (talk) 01:08, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - indiscriminate, undefined, POV. Moreschi ^{If you've written a quality article...} 22:09, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
'Keep and refine into groups having some similarity, rather than just an alphabetic list. As is, this does not actually give any more information than a category, but it has possibilities. DGG (talk) 19:11, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.