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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The rename can be discussed on the talk page. (non-admin closure) Yash! 04:12, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of people with the longest marriages

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This non-notable list of non-notable people is a magnet for original research. Long marriages are trivia; the kind of thing you'd see in Guinness, not in an encyclopedia. I urge editors to review the list's talk archives to understand the original research used to determine inclusion in the list. For example, a USA Today article about a Haitian couple's marriage was rejected because editors were unable to independently verify the claim. With one exception, none of the people in the list are independently notable. (That exception is Daniel F. Bakeman, whose entry is supported only by a dubious findagrave reference.) Many entries are supported only by unreliable sources, such as paid obituaries, and most of the others by one-off human interest news reports (WP:ONEEVENT, WP:NOTNEWS). Finally, the page's maintainers arbitrarily declare subjects 'likely dead' if there's no news coverage about them in the last year. This is likely a WP:BLP problem. Pburka (talk) 00:38, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep WP:ONEEVENT and WP:NOTNEWS concern who gets an article entry, not who appears on a list. The list guide reads: "If the person is famous for a specific event, the notability requirement need not be met. If a person in a list does not have a Wikipedia article about them, a citation [will suffice]". Every article in Wikipedia is a "magnet for original research", and that is why we patrol them. When there is controversy, we explicate that in the article. We have age controversies all the time about actors and musicians and gymnasts, we even have a category for it. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:45, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. North America1000 02:03, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep issues with the quality of the article as it currently stands are separate from notability. This topic of this list is clearly notable, as you can see by the multitude of coverage of "longest marriage." FuriouslySerene (talk) 02:22, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. sst✈ 05:44, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete The list is very difficult to verify and could miss eligible marriages from countries with poor records or many records would be paper only. It contains mostly entries from USA where records are better. And only a few from China which has long life expectancy . Birth and marriage records for very old people are poorly maintained in China. LibStar (talk) 08:19, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • China is 67th in life expectancy, so not "long life expectancy". All of Wikipedia is about verifiable information. All information, other than scientific constants, have a information half-life, where they are superseded by new information or more accurate information. The number of planets in the solar system just changed, maybe we should give up on that list too. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:40, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You are applying the article standard to the list standard. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:49, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'm applying the standard for lists (from WP:N):
One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list. The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been.
So where is it? EEng (talk) 16:11, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That is "one accepted reason," as your quote indicates. Another one is, per WP:CSC: "Short, complete lists of every item that is verifiably a member of the group. These should only be created if a complete list is reasonably short (less than 32K) and could be useful (e.g., for navigation) or interesting to readers." The list is reasonably short and I'd say it's useful and interesting to readers. FuriouslySerene (talk) 18:02, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Except that, at 112K, it exceeds the 32K guideline by a factor of four, and it's not useful for navigation since zero of the entries are linked (being nonnotable) so that there's nowhere to navigate to. That leaves interesting. Not sure what's interesting about the names of the couple in the 17th-longest marriage, with nothing else being supplied. EEng (talk) 18:15, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ITSINTERESTING is not a reason for keeping. LibStar (talk) 00:07, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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