Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people on the postage stamps of French Polynesia

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:42, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of people on the postage stamps of French Polynesia[edit]

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Deprodded without comment. Still completely unsourced, unused, un-maintained, and mostly composed of redlinks. There are far too many of these lists at AFD for there not to be a consensus by now; these lists are entirely unwanted and do not meet WP:SALAT especially absent any sources or indication that it's a notable topic. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 16:11, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@TenPoundHammer: my deprod rationale is in the template at the top of the article's talk page. ~Kvng (talk) 17:10, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 16:11, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oceania-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:35, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. This is something for another kind of project, outside of Wikipedia. BD2412 T 21:46, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This article has a distressingly high number of redlinks, which also leads to questions of are all bluelinks to the right person. This is a trivial subject, there is no justification for listing every person ever portrayed on stamps. Beyond this, if there is any encyclopedic value it would be found from listing by year and who is portrayed, but even there we have to ask, why are people on stamps a notable subject, but not other things pictured on stamps? We have no clear answer. There are not sources, let alone the needed reliable sources, backing this article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:57, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Question There are hundreds of similar lists: All pages with titles beginning with List of people on the postage stamps of. What is the proposed criteria for which to keep? ~Kvng (talk) 17:16, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- We need substantial coverage of the topic. This means journa articles or books that cover the topic specifically and hopefully give a general summary of the matter plus sources. Sources that say "Abrhama Lincoln appeared on a postage stamp of Taiwan pictured with Chiang Kai-shek" are not enough, sources that mention by name 2 people who appeared on the postage stamps of Israel, vaguely refer to 2 others without bothering to name them, and then list a place or two on those postage stamps while discussing Kibbutz and Israel, are not enough, and I could if I thought more come up with more such things. We need substnatial, reliable 3rd party sources that say substantive things about this topic, and to justify these list articles they need to completely list every case of every person who has appeared on those stamps. So we need to find a source that is reliable, secondary and substnatial in its coverage of people on postage stamps of French Polynesia, that lists every single person, and we need to find a few more sources that at least address the people on the postage stamps of French Polynesia as a group, even if they do not quite name all of them. These need to be coverage of just the people on the postage stamps, and to be completely ignoring all non-person postage stamps of French Polynesia.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:32, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - We currently have no sources on this article at all. We would need sources that give us something on each individual here, otherwise we should delete all the redlinks and rename this to "notable people on the postage stamps of French Polynesia" because per policy in general we do not include non-notable people on lists.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:34, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Johnpacklambert it sounds like your proposal is to stricly apply notability criteria individually to each of these list articles. If done properly, I assume that would be a significant undertaking. In any case, we may have trouble reaching consensus on a criteria as TenPoundHammer and BD2412 seem to make a more blanket assessment of the whole family of lists. ~Kvng (talk) 19:17, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    There's no question that lots of people have been on postage stamps. What hasn't been proven is why this is a valid topic per WP:SALAT. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 19:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - I could see it being proveable for one place if we have sources showing this, but that would only apply to that one place, not to any other place. For example, the US has put pictures of children on postage stamps just because they won some art competition sponsored by the post office. This in no way shows they are notable, and long term I see no beenfit in even listing their names. The US also put a picture with Jean Baptiste Charbonneau on a postage stamp, but it was a picture of Lewis and Clark biding farewell to the Charbonneua family. What if we had a postage stamp of the Obama family in the White House, that would not justify an article on each member of the family pictured, and would probably not justify a list item on all of them. Some people are on US postage stamps because they were subjects of a portrait painter, and the stamps were about the portrait painter, not really who his portraits were of. Things like this tell me we should not have a list for US postage stamps at all because inclusion is trivial, but there may be some other country somewhere that uses stricted criteria and for which a list can be reliably sourced. However keep in mind just because we can source the contents of a list does not mean the list itself is notable enough to create as an article in Wikipedia.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:30, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      I agree that it is unlikely that we can get consensus that All pages with titles beginning with List of people on the postage stamps of do not meet WP:SALAT so we can't delete this one or the others based on TenPoundHammer's blanket assertion. I also think it will be quite a task to assess each of these independently. We're probably going to end up deleting some and retaining others just based on which way the AfD and PROD winds are blowing as deletionists work their way through the list. ~Kvng (talk) 16:05, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      - We should not have articles that stand for 19 years with no sources. We should not have long, drawn out discussions on such articles with people arguing keep who fail to produce any sources. None of these lists meet our guidelines for lists. Postage stamps and postal history of French Polynesia is a much better way to cover anything here that is of actual note.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:15, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        I've done some reading and I don't see how specifically this list runs against anything in WP:SALAT. I wouldn't object to merging this list into Postage stamps and postal history of French Polynesia but I'm not sure that's a clear improvement and we may have trouble applying this approach to other lists. ~Kvng (talk) 04:18, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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