Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people influenced by Ayn Rand

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. See also the precedent set by recent deletions of "List of artists influenced by X": Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of artists influenced by Beyoncé contains a list. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 18:01, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of people influenced by Ayn Rand

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This list is WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Do we really need a list of A-Z people who were "influenced" by this person? What do we mean by "influenced" anyway? Any qualitative/quantitative analysis? To what extent? Whoever claimed they were "influenced" by this person can be mentioned in-depth at that person's article without this arbitrary list. HĐ (talk) 15:33, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. HĐ (talk) 15:33, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. HĐ (talk) 15:33, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:20, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I agree with the policies cited and arguments expressed by nominator. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 15:53, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I am in resounding agreement by the nominator and their reasons. Timmccloud (talk) 16:33, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As above. If such a list is needed it can be added to her page. Athel cb (talk) 16:36, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per above. -Indy beetle (talk) 17:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep unless there is a better argument for deletion. This list meets all the WP:LISTPEOPLE criteria. There are sources that discuss the topic of the list; several are in the Works Cited section of the article's references. It is not at all indiscriminate: the inclusion criteria are explicitly defined at the top of the list and every entry is sourced in support of one or more of those criteria. It also ought to be obvious that stuffing a 34Kb list into a biographical article (that is already over 90Kb) is a bad idea. --RL0919 (talk) 17:57, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- To me the definition of "influenced by" at the top of the list comes off as WP:OR--that is a subjective opinion on what it means by "influenced by", and that is not NPOV. To note, I do not recommend merging all these names into the "Ayn Rand" article. What is the purpose of this list anyways... to prove that Mrs. Rand had such a huge so-called influence? Why isn't there an exhaustive collective of lists of people influenced by [insert name here], who have had even more reputation and recognition than Mrs. Rand (to note--this is the first time I have ever heard of her)? HĐ (talk) 01:03, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - The list criteria ask for the listed person's self-identification. I'm not sure how that is POV, but in any case it is hardly WP:INDISCRIMINATE as you originally alleged. There are other "influenced by" lists (as you well know, having nominated several recently). The examples that originally inspired this one were List of writers influenced by Aristotle and List of thinkers influenced by deconstruction. I did not mention these because it would have drawn the obvious WP:OTHERSTUFF retort. There are other similar non-people lists, such as Works inspired by J. R. R. Tolkien. I assume many of those exist for the same reason this one does: as WP:Subarticles to prevent large lists from being a nuisance in the main article. There are thousands of lists that are split out of biographical articles for similar reasons, such as the contents of Category:Actor filmographies, Category:Discographies, Category:Bibliographies of people, etc. That there are not so many influence lists is probably due to the relative ability to source the content. --RL0919 (talk) 02:27, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per above. As long as the list is well sourced it should stay.--Nemov (talk) 18:26, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - A completely arbitrary list. "People"? Come on, what's next? List of people influenced by Jesus or List of people influenced by Muhammad? The editors probably have to create a prose article detailing how he inspired people, instead of this trivial list of names (WP:LISTCRUFT). Anyway, Works inspired by J. R. R. Tolkien is a prose article. Bluesatellite (talk) 12:47, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As I've already voted I won't vote again. I'll just comment that I fully agree with what Bluesatellite says immediately above (apart from noting that referring to Ayn Rand as"he" doesn't suggest a deep knowledge of her writing). As it stands the list is very unsatisfactory in another way, that it provides no evidence that the people listed were actually influenced by Ayn Rand. I haven't followed all the links, and maybe I was unlucky, but four out of the six I checked make no mention of Ayn Rand in the linked articles. Athel cb (talk) 15:46, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The list attempts to put forth criteria for inclusion, which is generally a good thing, but here it ends up being synthesis. Three different things are being called "influence"; the list is essentially putting forth a conclusion that they are equivalent. XOR'easter (talk) 18:25, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Bluesatellite and WP:SOAP. Come on, this is run of the mill. We don't even have a List of people influenced by Bertrand Russell. Bearian (talk) 01:53, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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