Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of peace activists

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The result was keep. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 15:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of peace activists[edit]

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The list violates WP:OR. No criteria has been established that how an activist can be described as 'peace activist'. Is there any list for 'war activists'? The list seems pretty useless and appears to be a type of free for all list. Tessaracter (talk) 09:02, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:06, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:OR and WP:NOPAGE. TheRollBoss001 (talk) 06:24, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The list corresponds to pages such as Anti-war movement and Peace movement. A good example of a peace activist who appears on the list is Anna B. Eckstein (right). She campaigned for peace ahead of the First World War, collected millions of signatures and was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Per WP:BLUE, this is not OR. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:27, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Category:Anti-war activists exist. List are always more useful than categories. Some people are notable for being peace activists, that what they get coverage for. Dream Focus 04:05, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nom asked for the list of "war activists", not "anti-war activists". Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 12:03, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't responded to that. Peace and anti-war are the same thing, so we have a category for this already. Dream Focus 12:26, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, I concur with the nominator's reasoning about the topic being badly defined. Were the architects behind Pax Romana peace activists? What is even an activist? Geschichte (talk) 19:24, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you even read the lead in the two minutes between this and your last edit? A clear in-depth definition of the topic. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:58, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I don't see any rebuttal for the case of WP:OR. This list is far from being encyclopedic and will never come to include all possible names. If we strictly dedicate the list for those who were significantly peace activists, then the list will be not needed for being too small. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 12:03, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
How is it original research? Search for reliable sources for any name with "peace activist" and you get results easily. Example: https://cse.google.com/cse?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403:galkqgoksq0&cof=FORID:13%3BAH:left%3BCX:Wikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22List+of+peace+activists%22 Dream Focus 12:26, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep, a popular article with specific defining characteristics outlined in its lead and on the pages of its entries. Deletion arguments seem to have been reasonably countered by Dream Focus. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:38, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep, per Dream. As a side note, I'll address the nom's Is there any list for 'war activists'? query. The short answer is no. Heres' the deal with war activism. Most effective pro war arguments are made behind closed doors, as the sort of realpolitik / geopolitical calculation they depend on doesn't tend to be popular with the public. Granted, even since ancient times there have been morality based arguments for war, e.g. certain types of conservatives argued that war is good for building character. A few politically neutral scholars have argued that war is good for spurring technological intervention, though it would maybe be a stretch to call them activists. From both politically right & left POVs, several have argued that war is sometimes justified to prevent atrocities. Good Tony Blair is the most prominent recent example of this with his 3 great speeches around the turn of the century, which help build relatively wide support for his intervention in Bosnia and to an extent, later the War on Terror. But here's the thing. I'm not aware of any source that covers these various types of "war activists" as a group. So there's a case not to have a list article per WP:OR. Whereas, obviously there are abundant sources about peace activists, a vastly more popular topic than its opposite, at least here in the 21st century. FeydHuxtable (talk) 13:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Obvious keep per Dream Focus and others. Every individual on this list is sourced as a peace activist (as defined in the lead), either in his or her own article (nobody is listed here unless they have their own Wikipedia article), or explicitly in this list article. There is no OR anywhere. --NSH001 (talk) 06:14, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. While OR does present issues in building such a list, I think they aren't insurmountable. The answer is addressing issues as they arise on the talk page, and working towards workable solutions rather than deletion.4meter4 (talk) 02:13, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.