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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:33, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of multiplayer gametypes in Halo 2[edit]

Video-game cruft. Can be condensed and merged with Halo 2. Doogie2K (talk) 19:17, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

From WP:DEL: "Problem: Such a minor branch of a subject that it doesn't deserve an article; Solution: Merge the useful content into a more comprehensive article and redirect." Sometimes merge tags are more appropriate than an afd. hateless 18:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It's looking like the consensus is leaning towards keep. That being said, this is still highly unencyclopedic feels a bit thin, materialwise. I'd be willing to suggest a merge instead, if people would be behind that. Since everyone's here, would you rather merge it with the maps article per TKD, or with the main Halo 2 article? I'm actually really liking TDK's idea, if it can be written professionally. Doogie2K (talk) 17:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Just a list of various settings for each of the default modes in Halo. This content isn't even useful/appropriate for GameFAQs. Wickethewok 20:08, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Wickethewok. Note that the main article already has a long and highly detailed section on Halo 2's multiplayer; this adds very little. — Haeleth Talk 22:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per the fact that Wikipedia is not a game guide. Whispering 23:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. SevereTireDamage 09:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Keep AfD is not an appropriate place for merge requests. This isn't a guide and it is too long for the main article. Halo 2's popularity is largely based on the strength of its multiplayer, so this is notable. Why is it we can include plot summaries of a few hundred words and have dozens of pages for characters in popular games (hundreds in Pokemon's case), but can't include any information about gameplay? We're treating games as if they were movies with silly inconsequential interactive bits, which isn't right. This would be like if the playing card article gave the names and history of the cards, but never addressed what games you can play with them. Not all information about game play is a game guide. This isn't strategy advice nor fancruft speculation, it's merely an empirically verifiable list of the game types and explanations of what they are. There seems to be a move lately to call any video-game article cruft/game guide, which is sadly getting a lot of support. Ace of Sevens 10:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment I'd hardly call every video game article "cruft." I simply think that the articles I've nominated can be condensed and merged into the main articles for their games. It's really obvious in the case of List of Halo 2 changes, but this one qualifies, too. Doogie2K (talk) 16:46, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • That wasn't so much aimed at you as certain voters who seem to just say delete on all these articles without reading eople's responses. Though it sounds like you wanted a merge, not a delete. This seems pretty lean already though. I'm not sure what you could take out and the main Halo 2 article is too long as is. Ace of Sevens 18:46, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Ace of Sevens. The multiplayer is notable, in respect to game design and the game's place among its genre and other contemporary games. This is not a game guide, but an objective description of what multiplayer is in Halo 2. The balance between a summary for the main article, and a reasonable expansion of the subject in this sub-article seems fine to me. --SevereTireDamage 00:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Ace of Sevens. -- Credema 01:58, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Whispering. -- GShton 03:44 25 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong delete and do not merge. Information is already present in the main article, and an in depth description makes this game guide information. Fails WP:NOT Proto::type 09:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment The following is the entirety of the coverage of gametypes in the main Halo 2 article: For example, the "Rumble Pit" playlist offers a variety of "every man for himself" game types, primarily Slayer or variations thereof; "Team Skirmish" offers a number of 4-on-4 team games, which are primarily objective-based games like Capture the Flag; "Big Team Battle" is similar to Team Skirmish but allows teams of up to 8 players. Do you really think that's sufficient? Ace of Sevens 10:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Wikipedia!=Gamefaqs. Though this sort of thing wouldn't even be on Gamefaqs. +Fin 13:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge. Merge it with the Halo 2 article. SuperDT 17:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Condense and merge into Halo 2, or, if someone is up to it, merge with List of multiplayer gametypes in Halo 2 and List of multiplayer maps in Halo 2 to form Multiplayer in the Halo series. I think that such an article would have the greatest potential for encyclopedic content, especially since there is some overlap between the two games. — TKD::Talk 08:40, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Ace of Sevens. It's utterly ridiculous to delete an article on the core gameplay of a massively successful title - this is notable, and informative to warrant an article to itself. RandyWang (raves/review me!) 01:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Relisting to allow clearer consensus to develop. - brenneman {L} 05:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep popular and useful for gamers. C56C 07:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Ace of Sevens. -- Gogo Dodo 07:54, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll throw yet another Keep per Ace of Sevens into the mix. I think that on AfD, for some reason, video game articles are more subject to deletion than other articles. However, I'm voting keep based on this specific article, not game articles as a whole. This page is not a game guide nor an FAQ, but merely describes (in a rather encyclopedic way) an incredibly important aspect of an incredibly important game. -- Kicking222 18:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Ace of Sevens. This, unlike other articles nominated before, is not a game guide. --Coredesat talk. ^_^ 19:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep all this game stuff is always kept. GrapePie 20:11, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per RandyWang. --JJay 00:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge or Delete. Too much material? Then condense it and spare the readers. --Calton | Talk 01:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with Halo 2 as appropriate. Yamaguchi先生 09:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and condense as needed. Combination 14:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: It's no doubt notable (multiplayer is huge part what Halo series is known for). Merging doesn't seem to be an option since the original article is too large. As to the matter of condensing, I don't know the game but it seems simple enough to me (7 variants each with a 1 paragraph lead section). Perhaps the subvariants could be trimmed but I'd say leave that to the Halo people. --Mitaphane talk 09:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, as stated by others above me, this is not comparable to lists of weapons or items. The article is about the core of Halo playing and certainly deserves its own article, per WP:NOT a paper encyclopedia. Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 09:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and merge with original article, other video game articles don't have their own multiplayer sections, this isn't standard ettiquette for videogame entries. They should be kept to one article per game, this type of stuff can be moved to dedicated videogame wikis.--Mofomojo 19:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Where are you getting this idea of one article per game? I don't see it in the guidelines, most popular games have several articles and we certainly have nothing of the sort for books or movies. Most games don't require a separate article for multiplayer. You might as well say Indiana Jones shouldn't have his own article becausemost movie characters don't have thier own articles. Ace of Sevens 20:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or merge preferably keep. Konman72 10:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and merge A bit too detailed for a separate article.--Brownlee 10:39, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and merge --Peephole 13:03, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and delete (Sounds so much better than delete and merge- where's the sense in that? Sorry peephole.) This decision should be obvious. Merge with the main article whatever can/deserves to be merged (not much that can be, though- this alone should be enough proof), then delete. Scytheml 15:18, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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