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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. This discussion was originally closed as delete. However, the decision was overturned at Deletion Review, see Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_December_12#List_of_longest-lasting_empires_.28closed.29. Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 16:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of longest-lasting empires[edit]

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No reason this article needs to exist as there is already a List of empires, unless this is supposed to be some form of Guiness Book of Records. By definition, the longest lasting empires are a subset of the empires that existed. This article is also plagued with original research. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 13:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ps similar redundancy with this article: List of largest empires The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 16:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. —GPPande talk! 18:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above, and I'd also support the suggestion of a togglable duration column in List of empires. I must admit to being a little bemused that the Japanese empire - arguably the longest-lived empire ever - isn't on this list anywhere. Grutness...wha? 00:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question How does one renominate an article for deletion? [1] The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 00:44, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Similar to nominating something the first time, but with a couple of extra wrinkles. Details are here. Grutness...wha? 05:35, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 04:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete without redirect. Everything in the list of empires--MaNeMeBasat (talk) 15:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Per WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:OR. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 20:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This is not a duplicate of List of empires, even if it provides some of the same information, it provides it in a different format and is useful for navigation and informational purposes. It is not original research unless the same information in List of empires is also original research. Even if the two lists could be consolidated by adding an age/duration-column and making the list sortable, this list should not be deleted until that is done, and even then making this a redirect is a better option, and in fact policy says that we don't need to delete duplicate articles. And unless you can be sure that content was not moved from one article to the other, we shouldn't delete for GFDL reasons. It is certainly not redundant with List of largest empires, which contains no information about how long the empires lasted. Finally, any defects with the article can be solved by fixing them. If the Japanese empire belongs here, add it. Finally, this is clearly not indiscriminate information as the longest-lasting empires are clearly of interest to writers of books and scholarly articles. DHowell (talk) 03:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There is no current way of sorting this from the List of empires. It is not OR because verything there is fully sourced in t he references to the articles n the empires, though it is usual when challenged to try to find some conventional source for each of them, but actually any standard world history would give almost all the dates. DGG (talk) 05:36, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It is a very useful list.--Michael X the White (talk) 16:16, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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