Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ghost video games (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Even discounting invalid arguments (a !vote labeled as "delete" that actually calls for merging, or calls for cross-namespace redirects favoring the category over the list contra WP:CLN), consensus is still to delete. postdlf (talk) 14:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of ghost video games

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"Ghost video game" is not a proper video game genre. Video game genres are based on the gameplay of the game (i.e. roleplaying, shooter, etc), not the narrative. There is no given definition of what makes a video game a "ghost video game" and this may also fall under WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Anarchyte (work | talk) 05:38, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Anarchyte (work | talk) 05:41, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Anarchyte (work | talk) 05:41, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Crafting a list of video games that strongly feature some element, being it ghosts or something else, based purely on news articles that mention one game has such an element, is synthesis and original research in the sense that you make a meaningful connection where there isn't any. As far as I know, ghosts in video games isn't some academic theme people are interested in, nor is it a well known genre. I fail to see the purpose of this article. ~Mable (chat) 06:22, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. GabeIglesia (talk) 06:41, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – What the above said. Going to add that the category is not specific as ghosts will show up in countless video games and it's not specific to how this benefits someone more than a category could. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:18, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – for the reasons already stated above. Aoba47 (talk) 17:39, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT; not a recognised genre. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:09, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – That it isn't a video game genre is not relevant since this list is mainly about ghosts not about video games. There is a list of ghost films so it is only logical to also have a list of ghost video games. Weikrx (talk) 07:56, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Weikrx: Take a look at WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Anarchyte (work | talk) 08:47, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Weikrx: We don't seem to have an article on Ghosts in fiction or "Ghost literature" or what-have-you. It's hard to see "ghosts" as a major theme in fiction. I'm somewhat impressed by the history section in the List of ghost films, but the fact that such a history may exist in one medium does not necessarily mean that it also exists in other media. ~Mable (chat) 12:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ghost story, maybe? Josh Milburn (talk) 23:13, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And "It's hard to see 'ghosts' as a major theme in fiction." Seriously? At least one of us is pretty confused, here. Josh Milburn (talk) 23:15, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as WP:INDISCRIMINATE; the article is little more than a laundry list of video games in which ghost characters feature. Additionally, Category:Ghost video games exists, and is already far more comprehensive and complete (note that INDISCRIMINATE does not apply to categories). See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of vampire video games. Satellizer el Bridget ^(Talk) 10:46, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not a major genre. ZettaComposer (talk) 12:35, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Category:Ghost video games which has much more games than this list. People using this term expect to find some list of games with ghosts, and we have the category for that. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 13:54, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Category:Ghost video games. I have to agree with Patar knight as the category seems more appropriate for this rather than a list. Aoba47 (talk) 00:38, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the above, and explicitly reject redirecting to the category space per WP:XNR. --Izno (talk) 18:34, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No sources shown to discuss ghosts in video games as a serious theme. I am unfamiliar with the precedent of redirecting mainspace articles to categories... please ping me if you have a policy page on that—otherwise I'd avoid it. czar 15:47, 17 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
SNOW Delete as there's clearly enough to state what I myself am going to state; there's nothing to suggest there's anything, including substance, to form this as a separate article; this can therefore easily simply be mentioned elsewhere as a list. SwisterTwister talk 00:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - As stated above, this is a grab bag of various games that happen to involve ghosts without any broader rhyme or reason. I agree that we're seeing a kind of synthesis that isn't appropriate. There's no good reason to keep this. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:29, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.