Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of gay anthems
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete `'mikkanarxi 19:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
List of gay anthems[edit]
The list is unsourced. Contested WP:PROD. JDtalk 20:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Granted, but it is also a useful indication of a social phenomenon. Perhaps merging it with Gay anthem in a truncated form as an outline of musical types normally associated with the epithet of 'gay anthem'?--Trebizond 20:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- That article also has an {{unreferenced}} tag on it, and that one has been there since July. No merge. JDtalk 20:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Source first, add to the 'pedia second. The list as it stands appears to be completely POV (and I doubt it could ever be NPOV... but that's not the issue right now) as, for instance, as a gay guy of not inconsiderable experience (details on request ;o) I've not even heard of about 2/3 of these "anthems" and the list is missing about 100 or so other songs I would consider to be an "anthem" for being gay... in my opinion. No, hopeless listcruft. ➨ ЯEDVERS 20:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- 100 or so other songs? Erm. . . . . you couldn't tell me what they are, could you? I'm DJing at a Gay Icon theme party this weekend. :) Oh, and ok, delete. I just wanted to make sure that the initial deletion notice which stated 'offensive to some' was discussed. Just to restate, I wasn't accusing anyone of anything, just wanted to make sure :)--Trebizond 21:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm the User who originally set the article for deletion. I think the article should be deleted. It doesn't have a single reference, and it looks like someone made up the whole thing. How can some of the songs on that be considered to be "gay anthems?" Such as Since U Been Gone by Kelly Clarkson or Hung Up by Madonna be them? I happen to have these two songs, and I don't see anything "gay" about them! Someone just made this article up. Acalamari 21:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think it's saying the songs are exclusive to gay people. The melody of God Save the Queen is used in Liechtenstein's Oben am jungen Rhein. There are Civil Rights anthems that are popular outside the movement. Although as "civil rights anthem", which strikes me as a more verifiable concept, comes out red I'll go Delete on this.--T. Anthony 22:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I can see your point, but it looks like you've just entered a slightly bigger world than you might current inhabit. Your proposed deletion suggested that a reason to delete would be that "Also, it might be highly offensive to many people." - the suggestion itself being highly offensive to both Trebizond and me. Now, you might not have meant that line how it read - the internet is horrible for such things being misread! - but Wikipedia is not censored - a golden rule here. We never delete an article because soemone might be offended, mainly because we'd have to delete all our articles (I'm offended by religion, heterosexual procreational practices and capitalism - so that's about 60% of the encyclopedia gone straight away!). As I say, you might not come from a place where homosexuality is considered normal (it is actually normal, but it is often considered not normal, mistakenly). Even in such a place, 10% of the people you meet every day will be homosexual, even if you don't know it. And a percentage of the rest will be offended by material that even mentions that 10% of your community. But here, on the internet at large, and Wikipedia in microcosm, we don't tend to give that any time or energy. I hope this helps you and happy editing in future! Thanks ➨ ЯEDVERS 22:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- del Verifiability problem. `'mikkanarxi 22:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Without straying off topic too much, where did you get that "10%" figure from? I know for a fact that, at most, maybe 1.5% of people are gay. How can you be offended by procreation? Anyway, this discussion isn't about percentage or procreation; it's about the deletion of a page full of made up information. The page contains NO references. I agree that some songs could be called "gay," but many of them are just there to irritate people, I'm sure of it. (Such as Since U Been Gone) Also, some songs are on here simply because gay people sang them. I still that this page should be deleted. Acalamari 22:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No objective criteria for inclusion in the list. Mereda 10:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Utterly subjective. -R. fiend 16:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I'm staying with my reasons lifted above. Acalamari 17:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. If any of it was referenced, I'd suggest a summary merge into Gay anthem, but unfortunately this isn't the case. Apparently editors are adding every other poppy empowerment song, heartbreak ballad or floorfiller to this list...and the Scissor Sisters' "I Don't Feel like Dancin'" was released just months ago! Hmm, Vanessa Carlton's "White Houses" is an anthem for me; does that mean I should add it to this list? :) Although they need verifying as well, the most notable ones are already included in Gay anthem. Extraordinary Machine 21:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep --BrenDJ 03:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Per above. Sharkface217 04:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.