Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of former monarchs

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete both of the pages under discussion here. There are some ideas for reasonable lists in the comments but none of the content here would be useful in creating them. Eluchil404 (talk) 03:36, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of former monarchs

Ill-defined list that aims to contain all "former monarchs in current monarchies". It would be extraordinarily long, and unmaintainable, if all the monarchs that satisfy this criteria were included. Even if (erroneously) only one former monarch per current monarchy is listed, as in the current version, the page already weighs in at 21KB. It does not take into account repeating former monarchs like in the case of Malaysia, which rotates the monarchy among all the state rulers. Lastly, the inclusion criteria is arbitrary: why only current monarchies and not abolished ones? Thus my opinion is to delete this list, and optionally replace with a category. Pegasus «C¦T» 09:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC) Pegasus «C¦T» 09:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related page created a half hour ago because it's the same article with the same issues except for the one concerning the title:

List of previous monarch in current monarchies (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)—Largo Plazo (talk) 02:12, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Should be kept in some formDeathlibrarian (talk) 11:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do something I was thinking that while the restriction "of current monarchies" must be meaningful somehow to the author, I was at a loss to see what purpose would be, and I also didn't understand why he'd only provided the most recent past monarch for each. Then I discovered: he just took List of current monarchs and replaced the information there. So perhaps the restriction only means, "I was willing to fill in the existing tables in their existing format but no more." So, I see two possibilities other than deletion. Either move this page to List of immediate predecessor monarchs or some other more accurate title, or turn this into a page that is what the title claims, and add all previous monarchs, and add all past monarchies to the list of present monarchies. But then, why past monarchs only? What would be the advantage of excluding the current monarchs, instead of having List of monarchs outright (ignoring the fact that there's already a disambiguation page at that location)? And then, with or without the current monarchs, I agree the list would be unmaintainably large and needlessly long to download. It should be a list of lists, one list per monarchy, past and present.—Largo Plazo (talk) 12:54, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I agree. I think List of immediate predecessor monarchs is the way to go. However, I'd check the categories carefully. For example, Infante_Juan,_Count_of_Barcelona was never King of Spain (or else he would have been King Juan III); Franco decided to bypass him and chose his son King Juan Carlos I to reign after his death. Therefore, I believe the Spanish entry should be changed to Alfonso XIII of Spain should the category/page be changed to List of immediate predecessor monarchs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tris2000 (talk • contribs) 11:34, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and move to a title such as Largo Plazo suggested, as such a list would be quite useful, quite verifiable, and quite well-defined. By the way, the Malaysia section seems to list the immediate predecessor monarchs to each state monarch, not the last several kings of the country. Nyttend (talk) 19:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - After reading the article title and page introduction I was surprised to see dead people listed. My natural interpretation had been that this was a list of living people who had resigned or abdicated. I agree that a list of dead monarchs is either too long or too hard to maintain. dramatic (talk) 20:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
delete as useless. the intent was immediate former monarchs, and I do not see the point of that. as for a more general lsit, we already have these by country, and this would have to be broken down that way anyhow. DGG (talk) 23:41, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Also can't see the point in this list. The information is already available by country. I can't see that searchers would use this list to find the information. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:59, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom.Nrswanson (talk) 12:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Possibly unmaintainable, quite indiscriminate. My first guess as to the subject was the same as Dramatic's: a list of living people who used to be monarchs. (Do we have one of those? If not, could this be recreated as one? It's a more natural category, and IMHO more likely to be looked for.) AlexTiefling (talk) 13:54, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Notice I began a list of links to lists of monarchs by country on the page that already existed List of monarchs.—Largo Plazo (talk) 14:57, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I guess this answers the question "Who died and made YOU king?"; but I don't see much of a point to this. It specifically exempts persons who lost their job when the monarchy was abolished, which is the very thing I would expect would make for a "former monarch". With three exceptions, this is a list of dead persons who reigned back in 2006 or 1952 or 1930. If it's a keep, then the title certainly should be changed. However, I think that when we call it was it is-- a "List of immediate predecessor monarchs" was suggested-- it underscores how pointless this list would be. Mandsford (talk) 19:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Another hodgepodge, randomly assembled list. Ecoleetage (talk) 23:23, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the new page too - The user who created it is creating a lot of pointless monarchy-related forks of lists. AlexTiefling (talk) 11:02, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.