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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. primarily because I see no convincing arguments to Keep this article except from an sockpuppet whose contributions were struck. Liz Read! Talk! 06:04, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of flyovers in Pakistan[edit]

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I nominated this article for WP:PROD, which was contested by editor Codenamewolf. This is a curious unreferenced list, whose individual entries are likely to fail the relevant notability guideline at WP:GEOFEAT. Only a handful of the list's entries have standalone articles, and I am not sure that reader interest really justifies a list article (though a category and See also mentions in the other flyover articles may be appropriate). I note that WP:NLIST says:

One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list. The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. Because the group or set is notable, the individual entries in the list do not need to be independently notable, although editors may, at their discretion, choose to limit large lists by only including entries for independently notable items or those with Wikipedia articles.

If editors can find sources that have discussed Pakistan's flyovers as a set, and save this article from deletion, that will be a very welcome outcome of this AfD.

For disclosure, there are four other List of flyovers in [X] or List of flyovers and under-passes in [X] articles (for cities or regions in Pakistan or India) that currently have a PROD tag; if it emerges that there is reasonable doubt that this article should not be deleted, I will remove those tags – or of course, any editor may do so, without waiting to see the consensus that forms here. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 11:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Firstly, and most importantly, thank you for cleaning the article and merging the content from the regional lists, which hopefully will allow the related regional list PRODs to go through without contest.
Secondly, I'm unconvinced by the navigational argument. With your cleaning, in the current revision, the number of bluelinks directing to flyovers per se is five (Sher Shah Bridge, Muslim Town Flyover, Yousuf Raza Gillani Flyover, Chowk Kumharanwala Level II Flyover, Nishtar Chowk Flyover), of which four are in Multan. The other entries are either interchanges, redlinks, or redirects either to the roads the flyovers carry or the neighbourhoods where they are sited. (The linked interchanges already have a navigational page: Category:Road interchanges in Pakistan.) The five remaining flyovers are small enough in number to justify inclusion in each other's See also sections, and they could be integrated into the navigational page at Category:Road bridges in Pakistan. In my view, the principal advantage of a category over a link is that it dissuades the kind of WP:OR that the nominated article suffers, from editors unfamiliar with the notability guidelines. Nor am I altogether convinced that anyone reasonably will care enough about "Flyovers in [X] country" as a category for a list article to carry encyclopaedic value; indeed, no other country has this kind of article to my knowledge. We also have Template:Bridges in Pakistan and List of bridges in Pakistan. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 19:49, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are a lot of notable flyovers in Pakistan so a stand alone list is justified. We have to find a compromise. This list meets WP:NLIST as well. See this reference. There are many references if you do a search in Pakistani newspapers. HistoriesUnveiler (talk) 21:06, 13 February 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 05:41, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The source you've shared isn't about the flyovers as engineered constructs per se, but a set of interviews with people who live under flyovers in Karachi. That might merit a mention in Karachi#Social issues, not an indiscriminate list of flyovers in Karachi. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 21:31, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Highway infrastructure like this is pretty generic, no indication that these are notable either individually or as a group. Reywas92Talk 17:48, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More discussion around the extent to which this list does or does not have a reasonable navigational purpose in light of our list inclusion criteria would be helpful in attaining a consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 00:59, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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