Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of expressways in Michigan
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. -- Cirt (talk) 16:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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More roadcruft. Even as the main contributor to WP:MSIH, the Michigan State Highways project, I can't make a good case why this needs to be a separate list article, when all of these roads are categorized into Category:Freeways and expressways in Michigan already. Imzadi 1979 → 02:17, 23 May 2011 (UTC) Update: a lot of the content of this list is original research as the Michigan Department of Transportation does not label their map with "expressway". The only distinctions they make are: "freeway", "multi-lane divided" and "paved" for state highways and "paved" or "improved" for county roads. Absent an official source about classifications, half of this list has to be gutted. Imzadi 1979 → 22:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Not roadcruft, list serves a useful purpose. Dough4872 02:31, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 13:58, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 13:58, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 13:59, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per WP:CLN; we don't delete lists just because categories cover the same subject. Particularly where this list clearly has more information than just the alphabetized article names, which is all the category can provide. If any of the redlinks in the list actually merit articles, identifying missing article topics is an additional function this list is providing that the category cannot. I'm leaning towards thinking this is a speedy keep as there really isn't a valid deletion rationale presented. postdlf (talk) 17:10, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- In response to the "update" added to the nom, that's still not a deletion rationale. That "half of this list has to be gutted" is, if true, a solution that calls for editing to remove incorrect entries (by implication, half does not need to be gutted), not deletion. Further, some of the roads listed are federal (e.g., Detroit-Toledo Expressway) and are expressly named "Expressway", so whether MI as a state uses the classification is not dispositive. And given that the category corresponding to this list is Category:Freeways and expressways in Michigan, the nom's complaints call for renaming this list to List of freeways and expressways in Michigan. We do not delete lists just because they have incorrect titles. postdlf (talk) 19:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I just had to remove the entire "expressway" section because of sourcing and OR concerns. As for the federal/state distinction, none of these are "federal highways" because the only federally maintained roads in Michigan are National Park or National Forest roads. (Interstates and US Highways are state highways, a huge misconception, btw.) We're down to just the named freeways, which can all be listed in the notes of List of Interstate Highways in Michigan, List of U.S. Highways in Michigan and List of Michigan trunklines. The remaining information is adequately covered by the category. Imzadi 1979 → 00:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- P.S. MDOT renamed all of the "expressways" to "freeways" years ago; what opened as the Lodge Expressway in 1957 has been the Lodge Freeway, by name, for years. Imzadi 1979 → 00:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- In response to the "update" added to the nom, that's still not a deletion rationale. That "half of this list has to be gutted" is, if true, a solution that calls for editing to remove incorrect entries (by implication, half does not need to be gutted), not deletion. Further, some of the roads listed are federal (e.g., Detroit-Toledo Expressway) and are expressly named "Expressway", so whether MI as a state uses the classification is not dispositive. And given that the category corresponding to this list is Category:Freeways and expressways in Michigan, the nom's complaints call for renaming this list to List of freeways and expressways in Michigan. We do not delete lists just because they have incorrect titles. postdlf (talk) 19:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.