Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of events at T-Mobile Arena

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There is no specific prohibition on an article of this type, and a consensus favoring keeping the article. bd2412 T 01:24, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of events at T-Mobile Arena

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WP:LISTCRUFT. A multipurpose arena does not need a list of every event ever that will continue to grow as the years go on. Articles like this for Soldier Field and Wrigley Field make sense as those are not multipurpose arenas. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 02:07, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. --Animalparty! (talk) 02:49, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. --Animalparty! (talk) 02:49, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nevada-related deletion discussions. --Animalparty! (talk) 02:49, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, except that I question whether similar articles are needed for Soldier Field and Wrigley Field, too. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:37, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. The individual events are in general not notable and this is a list which will just grow to an unmanageable length as time passes and adds nothing of encyclopaedic value. Neiltonks (talk) 12:22, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So will every list of mayors and senators, and presidents until life on Earth ends. --RAN (talk) 01:35, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of presidents of the United States of America and List of events at T-Mobile Arena are two totally different things. A president will only be added every four years or so, whereas an event at this arena will be added every week. 208 years of presidents would equate to one year of events if I did my math correctly. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:53, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yet, if time is infinite, both list will be infinetly long. --RAN (talk) 02:01, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as article creator. Doesn't fit the description of WP:LISTCRUFT, and the fact that an article will grow over time is not a reason for deletion. This is encyclopedic information, as evidenced by the fact that 1) Fully 25% of the entries in the list are standalone notable (all the articles in Category:T-Mobile Arena) and 2) of the rest of the entries, almost all of them are already listed elsewhere in the encyclopedia (such as at the articles about the various concert tours). This list simply takes encyclopedic, reliably sourced information and groups it by an obvious attribute (location). Also, see this discussion, where there was no consensus for the notion that such lists are not encyclopedic. Toohool (talk) 16:48, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A unique case, as the arena basically has events nearly every week of the year. As long as we keep it sourced (and this has done a great job unlike most arena articles), there's no real issue here. Nate • (chatter) 00:01, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:00, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Excellent list to complement the lists we have for musical groups and their tours. --RAN (talk) 01:33, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTDIRECTORY: "mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable." Are these "major events"? Not in my opinion. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:49, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 02:24, 25 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep If an WP:List article should be deleted just because it goes on and on, should other articles such as List of earthquakes in New Zealand or List of earthquakes in Japan be deleted as well since not every earthquakes are notable or noteworthy? Stating the frequency of updating an event as a criteria for deletion is not a very good reason in my opinion because every WP:List articles will be getting tremendously long eventually, it is only a matter of time. I do believe that the article page should be keeped, but I don't think every single event should be listed. My advice is that only mention a list of concert events while brief description for all other non-concert events such as sports, rallies or beauty pageants would suffice. Great job to the creator of this page for a well sourced article! Xinyang Aliciabritney (talk) 14:59, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Unlike some, similar, articles this article is clearly laid out and extremely well referenced. I fail to understand why the nominator feels that such lists would be acceptable for single purpose venues such as Soldier Field and Wrigley Field, but not a multipurpose venue, such as this.
The partial quotation from WP:NOTDIRECTORY cited above relates to broadcasters, not venues, and reads in full: "For example, an article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc., although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable."
There is no specific advice under WP:NOTDIR for venues. If we try to consider a parallel interpretation, then the "upcoming events" should probably be removed, but the rest of the list is a clear parallel to "historically significant program lists" so should be retained. IMHO WP:NOTDIR would need major clarification/expansion before it could be used to support such a deletion and, any policy/guideline review should consider the entire group of articles, not pick off individual articles one at a time. - Arjayay (talk) 16:12, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As extremely well referenced as it is, it still falls under criteria 7 of WP:LISTCRUFT: The list has no content beyond links to other articles, so would be better implemented as a (self-maintaining) category. Soldier Field and Wrigley Field host 2-5 events a year, not 50. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:23, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:LISTCRUFT is only an essay, not a policy or guideline, and it has not been vetted, or adopted, by the community. Your suggestion that lists for rarely used venues are acceptable, while lists for regularly used venues are unacceptable, seems remarkably counterintuitive. - Arjayay (talk) 10:12, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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