Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of drum corps

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The result was no consensus to delete the list. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 10:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of drum corps

This article attempts to categorically list all drum and bugle corps ever to exist; this is the equivalent to a page listing all Little League teams ever. It's just going to be a maintenance nightmare. This level of documentation does not belong in Wikipedia; it belongs on a site dedicated specifically to drum corps history. There is already a drum and bugle corps category; since it automatically includes links to all articles related to drum corps, it is all that is needed. JimBurnell (talk) 20:29, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – I believe Rlrr is correct. Pommerenke (talk) 18:46, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Although it may never possible to make a complete list, this is not a sufficient reason for this article to be deleted. Also, how would one decide if a corps was notable or not? I think an article such as this, with the proper caveats, should stay. Rlrr (talk) 14:56, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep "little league" drum and bugle corps??? The term doesn't even come close to fitting. I grew up in a town of 5,000 people and we had 6 or so little league baseball teams... but the nearest corps was on the other side of the state... and the second nearest one was in the next state! You may argue that there might be a corps on the list that doesn't belong because it isn't notable enough... but the list is certainly notable.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:58, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Once you start with Colonial governors by year and their sub lists, you see that the bar to notability is set pretty low. Group29 (talk) 21:04, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is an indiscriminate, directory-style list; I agree with the nomination and support its deletion. seresin ( ¡? ) 21:11, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Since WP isn't a paper encyclopedia, why not? TrekFanatic (talk) 21:29, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It will be tough to ensure that every single one is listed so I suggest someone create a template that says, "This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy certain standards for completeness. Revisions and sourced additions are welcome"... Unless it's already been done. →Wordbuilder (talk) 22:04, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I would hardly compare Junior Drum Corps to little league baseball, much more notable. War wizard90 (talk) 23:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete We should certainly have a list of the notable ones that have articles in wp. that's the usual way. To list all one can find is another matter entirely, and that is what is meant by indiscriminate. If changed to List of notable...., then a keep. DGG (talk) 00:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As the founder of Wikipedia:WikiProject Drum Corps, it pains me a little to say there are non-notable drum corps. But the fact remains--in an activity that has seen a pruning from thousands of corps to dozens, there will be many groups whose histories will never warrant a full article, though they may be held dear in the hearts of many. I believe the standards should be set in a manner similar to those by the Wikiproject Music guidelines--national touring, good public visibility, or some notable exploit outside of the activity--these are qualities all current drum articles should meet, and I believe do (though some could use polishing). My opinion is that the focus of drum corps enthusiasts working on Wikipedia would be better if we considered articles on corps that have yet to be created--corps with storied histories such as Blessed Sacrament, Scout House, the Belleville Black Knights--before we consider those which may have only existed for a year or two before folding. Our energies would be better focused on a list that has not already become unwieldy to maintain. Mr Bound (talk) 02:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't know if I get to vote, since I'm the one who created the page, but I'd like to elaborate. First off, competitive drum corps has been around for nearly (more than?) 100 years now. There are already several websites devoted to drum corps history, most notably CorpsReps. In fact, take a look at CorpsReps' listing of all drum corps. There are nearly 2,100 drum corps listed!!! We don't even have articles yet for many existing senior corps, and the ones that exist are woefully poor. Take a look at some of the corps listed on the list of corps... who is ever going to write an article about the Ajax Sea Cadet Bugle Band of Guelph Ontario, or the Berea Scouts of Brooklyn NY? Especially since no one has yet even bothered to write an article about the 27th Lancers Drum and Bugle Corps or even the currently existing DCA powerhouse, Minnesota Brass Inc. Drum and Bugle Corps. Even if we limited the list to "notable" drum corps, we'd fight over who is notable, and when someone wrote a new article, it would have to be manually added to this list; things would never stay in sync. It's better just to use the Wikipedia:WikiProject Drum Corps tags, which automatically keep things in sync, right? One more thing, the reason I mentioned Little League is not to say that drum corps is anything like it, but to give an idea of the scope of the work that would be required to maintain a list of every drum corps that ever existed...and write an article about every one of them. I'm sure that every drum corps and Little League team was notable to someone... but come on! There's at least one corps in the list (Appalachian Sound) that I personally know never even had a public performance. I think the list needs to go, or at least needs to get pared down to corps that are or were actually well-known enough to support someone writing an article about them someday. JimBurnell (talk) 15:07, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 21:33, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 21:33, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
selective merge and delete a list of DCI corps is encyclopedic, this list of junior corps isn't. there are a few too many redlinks to make this list of much use either. If it's appropriate (I hope some DCI expert can help here), could this list be merged to a new section of List of DCI drum corps?--Rtphokie (talk) 18:38, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It would be inappropriate to merge many of the corps here with the List of DCI drum corps because that list is limited to currently existing junior corps (participants must be 22 or younger) that are affiliated with Drum Corps International. While DCI is the largest and most successful circuit still in existence, there are other circuits, such as Drum Corps Associates (where there is no age limit), Drum Corps United Kingdom, and Drum Corps Europe. Furthermore, there are a number of drum corps that are not affiliated with any circuit, such as the United States Marine Drum and Bugle Corps, Future Corps, the service academy corps, and Alumni Corps, as well as quite a few corps that are clearly notable but no longer exist, such as the Anaheim Kingsmen Drum and Bugle Corps, the 27th Lancers Drum and Bugle Corps, the Star of Indiana Drum and Bugle Corps, and the Chicago Royalaires Drum and Bugle Corps. But this list is trying to be exhaustive, and there's no way that anyone will ever write articles about 90% of the corps that are currently listed. --JimBurnell (talk) 01:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This list is better suited for DrumCorpsWiki. It's too unwieldy and esoteric for Wikipedia.—Lazytiger (Talk | contribs) 03:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete - per User:Mr Bound --T-rex 00:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep:The source we have is enough. This page shows list of players.--Freewayguy ^{Call? Fish} 00:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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