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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:30, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of current Home and Away characters[edit]

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This article is surplus to requirements as current characters of the show are already highlighted in List of Home and Away characters. As well, I don't think Wikipedia is the place to keep a running tab of which characters are in the show in this current period of time Ajf773 (talk) 08:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 (talk) 08:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 (talk) 08:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 (talk) 08:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I have been BOLD and merged the page into the main character page. Seems the obvious solution, I am not sure why an AfD is necessary. Bookscale (talk) 12:15, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • And another editor has just undone your redirect. I don't agree that the merge is the obvious solution and you should wait until the outcome of the AfD before making such executive decisions. Ajf773 (talk) 17:23, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why didn't you just make a suggestion on the talk page? Why spend time going through a AfD? Bookscale (talk) 20:30, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - standard Wikipedia list and sourced. Just because a television series is not considered high brow does not mean it has no place. Home and Away is broadcast worldwide and with millions of viewers it is notable on this encyclopedia. Perhaps proposing an AFD for the recurring characters list was correct. You could have a list of present and past characters. No issues then. You may not think it is useful but a check on here [1] shows the page was used 598,290 times in 12 months.Rain the 1 18:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Current characters are highlighted blue in the List of Home and Away characters article. This article is essentially a content fork. Recurring characters and upcoming characters (if notable) should also be listed in there. Also as mentioned earlier it's not the job of Wikipedia to be the purpose of a TV Guide. Ajf773 (talk) 19:27, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This list exists in its current form because of this 2010 discussion [2]. It used to look like this [3]. It should have been at List of Home and Away characters anyway (matching similar cast lists), with List of past Home and Away characters remaining or recreated, but another editor opposed that idea and recently decided to highlight current characters in blue. The characters shouldn't be on that list, but that's probably a discussion for elsewhere. It won't be hard to source all the entries, but merging it with List of Home and Away characters might be confusing for casual readers and it will likely be very large, as List of current Home and Away characters also deals with characters that are returning, debuting and leaving. So, in one article that would include all the current characters, past characters (maybe even recurring characters, as that list is up for deletion) and the cast changes. - JuneGloom07 Talk 22:55, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • No other soap opera that I could find has separate lists of past, current, recurring or upcoming characters (the Shortland Street one which is also up for AfD is an exception). It is far more confusing for readers having characters scattered across many different lists. Most List of characters lists are either listed by year introduced (which Home and Away already has for each year since 1988), and few others have a general list of characters since the show first aired. There is nothing wrong with sticking to those formats. And if the list is too long, start using a proper inclusion criteria, culling all characters without articles would be a good start. Ajf773 (talk) 00:18, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why nominate the Shortland Street character list and call it an exception? I understand you do not like these lists. To quote that essay: "Wikipedia's editing community comprises a broad spectrum of people from around the world, and what is uninteresting and dislikable to some is of vital interest to others." You may not find this list useful but others clearly do looking at page hits.Rain the 1 21:40, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What are you talking about? I nominated this list because it's a content fork. Policy takes precedence over popularity. Ajf773 (talk) 18:54, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 13:09, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Ajf773 is correct to ask how this meets WP:LISTN. There is no evidence that this list does at all independently of the existing list of Home and Away characters which includes all the characters (meaning there is nothing to merge) and already indicates which characters are current characters - there is no-one out there publishing lists of current Home and Away characters (as opposed to characters that have ever existed). Moreover this is an obvious WP:FORK of the existing list that has been created simply because of a disagreement over how to manage the list between editors (i.e., a WP:POVFORK). Reading through the 2010 discussion, I cannot see a consensus for the present set-up, and anyway, consensus can change. As such this is a notability fail and also pointless duplication.
@Bookscale - since it seems that AFD is the way this is going, do you want to make your comment an official delete vote? FOARP (talk) 16:24, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@FOARP: - no, I'll stay out of this as I'm not quite sure where it is going. Bookscale (talk) 08:21, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Comment: I am not going to be making a technical comment or policy analysis. I would simply like to say that I have found this article a very useful resource for a decent 10 years now. I must have visited it hundreds of times. I would find it a real shame if it was deleted. TurboGUY (talk) 23:07, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was making a comment, not an argument. I have amended my entry. TurboGUY (talk) 00:21, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Not all of the information can be found at List of Home and Away characters. That article has no cast changes section for a start. Per my comments above, List of Home and Away characters was supposed to list all current characters and cast changes, with a separate past characters list (that didn't include any current characters). I think instead of outright deletion, List of current Home and Away characters needs to be moved to the correct name and List of past Home and Away characters recreated (and sourced as necessary, which I'm willing to do). So, I guess I'm proposing some sort of move and merge instead. It would be in keeping with other soap opera lists, so H&A would no longer be the odd one out. - JuneGloom07 Talk 19:25, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think that moving/merging is a great idea and I always wanted less lists. The last time this discussion happened in 2010 there were around six lists and more problems. This makes more sense now. The format of this particular list works well and the outcome would be better if you are willing to actually source every character. Full sourcing has not been done on either of the lists before.Rain the 1 23:36, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - With the moves proposed by JuneGloom07. Msjraz64 (talk) 20:09, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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