Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of comics spin-offs

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The result was delete. Kurykh 20:57, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of comics spin-offs

Too broad list (All publishers, any spin-off), Original Research. The article cannot possibly be attributed to a reliable source. The definition of "comic" and "comic book" is confusing. It seems to be using Characters rather than Comic Titles. Duggy 1138 (talk) 01:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I can't figure this list out. On the one hand, it states, as one might expect, that "spin-offs that take established characters from one comic book and give them their own book or series". However, I'm fairly certain that there is no comic book series for "Franklin Richards" or "Falcon", who were characters that came along in the Fantastic Four and Captain America, respectively. The original synthesis comes from the "criteria" that the author uses, and I'm not sure whether that's consistent. Mandsford (talk) 03:05, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per nom. if a spin-off is worthy of a mention, it can be mentioned on the comic it was spun off of --T-rex 04:58, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - clearly this is a broad and spanning topic, that could use clean up; however, the first place to start should be a clean up, rewrite or original research tag, not a PROD or AFD. This is clearly a notable device used in comic book publication, and the page itself a "spin-off" (pun fully intended) of the Spin-off (media) page. Clearly, this is a page that could use much refinement, (Removing characters and simply listing titles (eponmys or anthology) and listing them according my first suggestion); but, it seems to be notable, specifically with comparable subject pages for TV, film, video games, and novels existing. -Sharp962 (talk) 18:10, 29 June 2008 (UTC).[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Overly broad and encyclopedically useless list, as very often what it boils down to is connecting characters where they appeared first, which doesn't really mean anything a lot of the time (in the case of Sabretooth, e.g.) Yeah, Sabretooth first appeared in Iron Fist, but it should be obvious to anyone familiar with the literature that Sabretooth is a spin-off of X-Men, since that's where the character developed the enduring popularity he's since enjoyed, and any list that states otherwise is essentially meaningless. Iron Fist has no more to do with Sabretooth than Galactus does. Ford MF (talk) 22:52, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:
Spin-off determined based on the publication? the content of the publication? a specific character? a specific location? anything remotely related to anything which may have been internal or external to the presumed "parent" of the spin-off?

Let's see, just to start with, we have woefully unsubstantiatable subjective criteria which could potentially cause nearly every publication article in Wikipedia to be listed. ("But we wouldn't include all of those!" - "Why not? Just because you subjectively choose not to?")

In addition (outsourced from the subjectiveness) this is rather clearly WP:OR. It requires more than just witnessing two items, it requires a judgement concerning a comparison of two items.

Let's compare this to the bibliography pages (which I vehemently opposed the deletion of).

Those were merely listing and identifying the appearance of a character. No judgement concerning the character, merely that they appeared. Falls directly under the section concerning primary sources at WP:OR.

This is looking at two items, making a judgement concerning whether one is a "spin-off" of the other, and then listing the result of that judgement in the article.

A list of publications that Superman may have appeared in? No problem, it's easily verifiable.

A list of presumed "spin-offs"? Big problems of subjectivity and WP:OR.

Sooo... - jc37 07:17, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete - per my comments above. - jc37 07:17, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.