Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of candidates by riding for the 43rd Canadian federal election

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The result was Draftify. Moving to Draft:List of candidates by riding for the 43rd Canadian federal election J04n(talk page) 17:23, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

List of candidates by riding for the 43rd Canadian federal election

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WP:TOOSOON and mostly empty chart of presumptive candidates in an election that's still a year and a half away. As a general rule, most political parties haven't even started selecting their candidates for the next election yet, and won't for at least another year. Three of the five political parties with representation in the current Parliament have zero candidates selected yet, so their columns are completely empty, while one more has zero candidates selected yet either but this prematurely lists a handful of incumbents who have declared that they plan to run again except for one district where it presumptively lists the candidate for a by-election that's going to precede the actual 43rd general election. And for the one party that actually has candidates listed here, it still frequently just lists either incumbents who plan to run again regardless of the fact that there are still 17 months for them to change their minds for personal or professional reasons, and/or multiple declared but as yet unfiled and unselected candidates in pending nomination contests. There's simply no reason for a placeholder election results table to already exist this far in advance of the actual election campaign -- while we've traditionally permitted a base article about the next election (i.e. 43rd Canadian federal election) to exist as soon as the previous one was done counting its beans, the results table has always waited until the election campaign was actually underway. There's no value in this existing as a placeholder page this far in advance, if there are this few confirmed candidates to actually list yet. Bearcat (talk) 22:57, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 22:58, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 22:58, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

• Redirect to 43rd Canadian federal election. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:57, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

• Redirect and soft delete/draftify (unless access remains in redirect's history) per nom's well laid-out argument. In this particular instance, I reckon it shouldn't exist until about a year beforehand. Nosebagbear (talk) 13:11, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

• According to Elections Canada there are now seven official Conservative candidates, and numerous nomination candidates who have publicly declared their candidacy. I was planning to change the page today to footnote the various Conservative incumbents who have the right of acclamation (via Conservative Party deadline that passed last November) but have not publicly declared their intention of running again. The Wikipedia:Too_soon criteria do not address elections. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 14:06, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

There are 338 electoral districts nationwide, with four political parties that are likely to have a complete slate of candidates across the country and a fifth that is likely to have a complete slate of candidates across the province of Quebec. That means 1,430 candidates minimum, before you have even accounted for the fact that an unpredictable number of minor candidates, for fringe parties and/or independents, are likely to run as well — so for the sake of argument, let's just spitball 70 fringers, so that the number of candidates across Canada hits exactly 1,500. (It will, in reality, be considerably more than just 70, but for the sake of the math I had to pick a random number.) So one party having seven confirmed candidates equals 0.46 per cent of the total (and only just barely two per cent of its own party slate), which is nowhere near high enough a percentage to suggest that the nationwide results table is already needed this far in advance. Bearcat (talk) 16:55, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

• Comment @G. Timothy Walton: - just because candidates have the right of acclamation does not mean they can reliably be determined as the candidates - 18 months is a long time and multiple ones (not just an unanticipated one or two) might decide they don't want to run (or at least run there). Specific sources confirming candidates as actually running I would argue are needed to make clear statements on this timescale. Nosebagbear (talk) 15:01, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

• • Comment @Nosebagbear: - I've changed the page so that all Conservative incumbents without a public commitment to run are listed as unconfirmed nominees with a footnote that they have the right of acclamation; there are a lot of them so it will be a while before I finish slogging through Google and Facebook searches for each one to see if they've confirmed running again. There are a lot of Conservatives who have declared publicly that they want their party's nomination. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 15:14, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, and despite their intentions some of them may still not actually run again, for various personal or professional reasons that may range from family matters, to quitting to run for mayor of their hometown or their provincial party, to getting embroiled in a scandal, to outright death. It's WP:CRYSTAL for us to simply presume that an incumbent MP definitively will run again just because they've stated their intention to do so eighteen months before the election. Bearcat (talk) 17:06, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

• • Comment Maybe move back to draft until sometime this Autumn? That way we can keep it up to date for nominations which happen on the CPC side and move it back to public once the Liberals and NDP start their nomination process'. Canadianpoliticalwatcher (talk) 02:10, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

• Delete/Draftify with no prejudice against timely recreation. Clear case of WP:TOOSOON. 198.84.253.202 (talk) 17:55, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

• Draftify per nom. Clear case of WP:TOOSOON. PhilKnight (talk) 23:26, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

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