Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in Shenzhen

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Aside from Nyttend, the "delete" votes were vague, but the "keep" votes were not substantial enough to override that either. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:28, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of bus routes in Shenzhen[edit]

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We're not a travel guide. Completely unsourced comprehensive list of bus routes including fares and some timetables. WP:NOTTRAVEL and WP:NOR Ajf773 (talk) 04:06, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 (talk) 04:06, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 (talk) 04:06, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 (talk) 04:06, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. This list is completely unsourced and would not be suitable for Wikipedia even if it were sourced. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:11, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete Pick your reason; they're so many. -The Gnome (talk) 05:47, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment from nominator two EL's have just been added, although these are primary sources. Ajf773 (talk) 17:32, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails NOTBUSGUIDE & GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 04:26, 21 March 2018 (UTC) (Amended 12:30, 12 September 2018 (UTC))[reply]
Keep notable as a spinoff from the Shenzhen transportation network. Timetable information needs to be removed. SportingFlyer talk 04:50, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Being a spin-off of a network does not mean much unless it is notable on its own. At best, this would mean a redirect. -The Gnome (talk) 10:40, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - we have numerous lists of bus routes like this – seven for NYC alone (see Category:Lists of New York City bus routes). No reason to delete this unless all other similar lists are also deleted. -Zanhe (talk) 17:13, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in Lahore where multiple articles were bundled (including this one). This is an example of keep stuff because WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Ajf773 (talk) 17:31, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Zanhe - No reason to delete this unless all other similar lists are also deleted." is a perfect example of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS which is an argument to avoid at AFD, You might want to re !vote with an actual valid reason, Many thanks. –Davey2010^Talk 18:35, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This discussion was closed as "delete", but is now relisted per Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 August 29.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:09, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I recommended "delete" for this article in March, and I still would recommend "delete". The article has no citations for any specific fact, just two external links. While it is true that there are other lists of bus routes in Wikipedia, there are also plenty that have been deleted, too. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in Aberdeen, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in Bucharest, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in Cardiff, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in Devon, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in Ely (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bus routes in Framlingham, and so on. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:32, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I created this AfD and I still strongly support deletion. The editor who request their article to be overturned has made a number of large edits to the article but hasn't achieved the purpose of adding references nor making it appear less like a travel guide. The argument that bus routes for other cities is a dumb argument, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and WP:NOTINHERITED still apply. Ajf773 (talk) 20:02, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I still support keeping this article as it cannot be used as a guide to travel around Shenzhen, doesn't actually fail WP:NOTTRAVEL, and bus routes can be encyclopaedic. SportingFlyer talk 17:58, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete; no evidence of significant coverage in reliable sources. Do reliable secondary sources ever cover bus routes? Presumably some do, but they're not the kind of thing that routinely gets coverage, so we shouldn't have a list unless we can demonstrate that a bunch of the entries are notable. Also, note that the failure of the bundled nomination is no reason to vote to keep here: like many bundled nominations, that one failed because it grouped items that were too disparate to handle together, not because all of the nominated articles necessarily were deemed keepable. When the closing admin says The result was keep without prejudice to the renomination of individual list articles, that specifically means that it's appropriate to nominate an individual item from the list, regardless of whether all other similar lists are also deleted. Nyttend (talk) 23:04, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.