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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. Cbrown1023 19:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of books in computational geometry

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Original research, who is to say these books are any better or worse than others in the field. WP is not Amazon.com! Steve (Slf67) talk 22:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC). Following the discussion I'll concur with Merge into respective articles --Steve (Slf67) talk 00:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. I have left important remarks on the article's talk page. Unless and until those issues are addressed, I'm reluctant to recommend a fate. --KSmrqT 10:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete. Based on the lack of any helpful response to my concerns, and in light of ample time and further contributions to the debate here, I believe this article is ill-conceived and will only get worse if allowed to persist. --KSmrqT 12:08, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge back into computational geometry. —Ruud 14:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge back into computational geometry. (Thanks for the idea, Ruud).--CSTAR 18:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sorry. Bad idea. "Computational geometry" is now in a pitiful, sketchy state. It may be expanded at least 4-5 times. List of books is a separate, detachable topic. What purpose is to bloat an article with it? It is just one click away and its separation does not break the logic of the article in any way. I also intend to expand the list with brief annotations. `'mikka 22:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • In my opinion that "one click" is more of a problem than the "bloat" added to the article (in small print you can list over 30 books on a single screen). Why break with the convention of listing literature relevant to a subject in the article itself? —Ruud 02:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into Computational geometry. The guide to layout says that all books which a reader would find useful ought to be listed in a further reading section. If that list has too many books--that is, if some of them aren't important enough that they should be included in the article to prevent it becoming too large--then the solution is simply not to include every book, but rather only those books which will be particularly useful. This requires some use of judgment from a knowledgable person, but is probably the best solution. --Sopoforic 06:13, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • In this particular case all books are quite different in subject coverage. Therefore, like I said, I am going to provide brief annotations for these books. This will considerably bloat the main article. I'd rather suggest this page is already merged articles about separate books. Rephrasing, all these books are notable each in its own aspect, but this domain of knownledge is quite narrow, and it makes sense to see side-by-side comparison of these books, rather than to have them in separate articles, prone for aggression from those who think that only pokemon, porn stars and sexual slang are notable topics. Unfortunately experts in computational geometry do not rush into wikipedia, rather in opposite direction (I did notice several familiar names, who quickly became disinterested in wikipediting) `'mikka 20:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • From a brief reading of the list and the topics suggested by their titles, it seems to me that several of these books would be appropriate on more specific articles--in particular, Combinatorial geometry has a separate page, as does Art gallery theorems. The fact that the books differ in coverage then seems (to me) to be because some of them are about different topics which we also have articles for. If that's the case, then those books should be listed on the appropriate articles. It's true that an annotated list of books on a topic is useful, but there's no reason you can't annotate a further reading list. Also, if the books truly are all important (i.e. introduced major theorems or ideas) then they may merit a mention in the main article (in a history section, perhaps) for that reason. At any rate, wikipedia is not paper and there is no reason we can't include all relevant (and verifiable) information, as long as we are careful about the presentation. I just feel that it's more useful to present it on the article rather than in a separate list. --Sopoforic 22:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Providing 'brief annotations' for the books is Original Research, instead you need to provide 3rd party references stating that these books are the best in their respective fields. That is the point of this AfD which still has not been addressed. There is no source stating that these books are any better or worse than any others, or that they provide a complete background to the topic. --Steve (Slf67) talk 23:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • You started trolling, colleague. <plonk> `'mikka 02:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • Ah, not quite. I envisioned such annotations not as "this book is totally cooler than the previous one," but more along the lines of "this book contains a section on algorithms for foo," which is more useful and not at all original research. --Sopoforic 16:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
            • Give me a break, man. I have four computers at home, but only two hands and two pairs of glasses. But this is not a reason for article deletion. I agree with you, but if I decide to write a detailed report about some book, I will write a separate page about it (and some smartass will probably come and say "WTF, prove that this book is better than the rest or write about all other books, otherwise I delete it because you are POV-pushing"). `'mikka 19:59, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
              • Well, I'm advocating merging this into the main article on computational geometry--I don't want any information to be lost, I just think it's better presented along with the subject of the books, where people will see it more readily. Regarding deleting an article about a book: if someone did that, though, they'd probably be wrong. If you wanted to write an article about a book that was actually notable, according to our own guidelines, then the existence of articles on other books has no bearing on this. Their claim may mean we'd have to go through an AfD for the book, but in the end things should work themselves out. I don't think that keeping this article just as a prophylactic measure against future problems is a good idea, though. --Sopoforic 21:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
              • (Please try to remain civil. Describing other editors as trolls and smartasses because they initiated a community discussion into an article is not considered appropriate behaviour. Thanks. --Steve (Slf67) talk 04:58, 7 January 2007 (UTC))[reply]
  • Merge into computational geometry per Ruud's excellent suggestion. With all due appreciation for the valuable expansion of the original skimpy list, article bloat is not an impending problem. After merging we'll have an estimated length of 15K. By the time the article becomes unwieldy because of the envisaged expansions, it is more likely that the remedy is found in spinning off specialized subtopics than in having this list as a separate article (and see also Soporific's suggestion above). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lambiam (talk • contribs).
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