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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was NO CONSENSUS TO DELETE. Herostratus 18:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of anti-American terrorist incidents[edit]

Inherently POV article which uses original research to create a list of various unrelated incidents, none of which should be categorised simply as "anti-American" in an encyclopedia. Incidents such as the assassination of Lincoln are linked to the Oklahoma bombing under this title for no discernible reason. Have any of these acts been described simply as "anti-American"? - And how many of these acts have been described as terrorism? We don't know, there are no sources anyway. Zleitzen 08:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. At a stretch, this could almost be "List of incidents in which Americans were targetted for some reason or another", but I don't exactly think that would be much of an improvement. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 09:01, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Connects unrelated events in absurd way. Pavel Vozenilek 17:49, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep — Americans have been targeted by significant terrorist incidents and this appears to be a valid topic for an encyclopedia. Suggest renaming the article and weeding out the dubious entries. — RJH (talk) 17:19, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment All of the featured entries are dubious. "Terrorist acts" have complex socio-political motives, many of these motives are not fully understood and remain unproven. To reduce these motives to a singular disputed term is unencyclopedic, ahistorical and unhelpful. We already have a number of articles that list terrorist acts, List of terrorist incidents and List of terrorist incidents in the United States etc. This article is simply unneccessary.--Zleitzen 00:22, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • strong keep - an important article, perhaps rename as resistance acts or acts of insurgency?? --Frogsprog 18:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per RJH --Shyamsunder 14:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, per nom. Redirect page to List of terrorist incidents in the United States, append a section "List of terrorist incidents against Americans outside the United States" if necessary. --Vsion 00:07, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep removing dubious entries per RJH above.
    • Comment What would you define as a non-dubious entry on a page such as this?--Zleitzen 14:27, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:NOT for indiscriminate lists. WTF do "Barbary Pirates", John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald have in common ? If this is a valid topic, and I suspect that it is not, this article contains nothing which could usefully be included in Anti-American terrorism. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:52, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep - Most of the criticisms above deal with the quality of the article, which is a reason for improvement but not with a valid reason for deletion (e.g. nom. talks about "needs sources" and "some entries don't belong"). A list of anti-American terrorist incidents does NOT inherently have a non-neutral point of view. I don't even know what point of view the nom thinks it is pushing. I think this article is very relevant, at least as relevant as list of wars and list of disasters.--Bibliophylax 18:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Notice that the lists you mention: list of wars and list of disasters are defined by commensurable standards - a war is a war etc. We don't have list of Anti-American wars for example. Why not? Because there can be no such categorisation, "anti-American" is a vague disputed term and is thus incommensurable. The nom doesn't talk about "needing sources", nor states "some entries don't belong" as you claim. It states that "none of the entries should be categorised simply as "anti-American" in an encyclopedia". The fact that there are no sources for this merely reiterates how unencyclopedic such a list is.--Zleitzen 19:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - The term 'Anti-American' is too specific, however; one would need sources for each incident to allow that claim. 'Terrorist incident' can be interpreted as 'act of terrorism' or as 'act by a terrorist', the latter would need a conviction as such by court. Rename the article 'List of assassinations and acts of terrorism against Americans' (which is not the same as incidents that happenened in the US). The term 'terrorism' is nearly always a POV, but is correct in the renamed title and not WP:POV as it is objectively stated from what position the view is made: from its targeted American citizens. 'Assassinations' are not always considered terrorism (hence separately mentioned in the new title), but are just as terrorism, illegal attempts disrespectful of human life, seemingly to cause a political influence, and are most often clearly distinguishable from other 'murders'. — SomeHuman 23 Sep2006 09:40 (UTC)
  • Keep-But needs serious improvement. --Boris Johnson VC 08:23, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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