Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of anime distributed in the United States

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was rework as a prose article covering the history of anime distribution in the United States. The copy-paste draft at Draft:History of anime in the United States may be used for this after a history merge has been completed; alternatively, the parent article could be moved into draftspace if a history merge isn't feasible. I do not perform history merges myself, and offer no opinion on which route is preferable, but there is consensus against the continued existence of this article in mainspace. Apologies for any confusion that may have resulted from the previous closing statement: I hadn't realized the existing draft was a copy-paste userfication. Vanamonde (Talk) 10:58, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of anime distributed in the United States[edit]

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Massively useless list with overly broad inclusion criteria. Fails to explain why a list of anime released in the US is significant. From about the 2000-2010s onwards, the inclusion criteria effectively expands to nearly all anime- it would be much more notable if a recent anime had not been released in the United States. The prose does have some promise, but it is nearly entirely unsourced and far too excessively detailed for this purpose, and it would be better served being reworked into a different article with a clearer focus (I've already WP:USERFIED the page content with the intent of trying to do something of the sort when I have the chance). As such, I believe this list should either be deleted or else reworked into a more constructive list that has less broad inclusion criteria. Joyce-stick (talk) 18:13, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Anime and manga and Popular culture. Joyce-stick (talk) 18:13, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Only a single reference raises concerns about major WP:OR here. If this was referenced, something could be rescued by merging to History of anime in the United States, a notable topic (to be written, sigh). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:28, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have found the List of anime distributed in the United States article to be extremely useful with regard to delving into the world of anime. Before reading this article, I was basically a beginner regarding anime. However, after performing research on the anime explored in this article, I feel that I am truly immersed in the world of anime. Additionally, there are plenty of anime in this list that have been released both in the United States and internationally. Crlis94 (talk) 15:46, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This argument is neither valid nor persuasive, as it constitutes WP:ILIKEIT (an argument that we prefer to not make in any deletion discussions). In addition, your account appears to be a WP:SPA, as your sole edit thus far has been to oppose this page's deletion. Before participating in the discussion further I'd recommend you familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and in particular, WP:NLIST and WP:LISTCRITERIA, which are especially pertinent here. If you have and would like to attempt an argument for why this page does satisfy the conditions stipulated under those guidelines, then by all means feel free to do so. Joyce-stick (talk) 03:56, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Joyce-stick (talk) 16:41, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Joyce-stick (talk) 16:54, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television, Visual arts, and Entertainment. Joyce-stick (talk) 16:58, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ Redirect and history merge to Draft:History of anime in the United States (changed !vote — 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 17:08, 9 August 2022 (UTC))[reply]
Fully concur with nom's assessment. Degenerates into indiscriminate list in recent decades and offers no useful information specific to the U.S. such as local release dates, distributor, etc (compare with List of anime theatrically released in the United States). Nom's proposal to rework into a different article at User:Joyce-stick/Userspace drafts/History of international anime distribution looks sound, but I would recommend a less ambitious scope to History of anime distribution in the United States to start with.
Additional comments 1. List of anime distributed in India also exists — albeit with more sourcing, and sorted by platform/channel rather than date — and should be reworked in similar vein. Bundle into this nomination? 2. history merge into the userfied copy needed to preserve attribution. 3. Based on 2022 YTD stats, the U.S. list attracts min >100 and average >200 views per day. (The India one has even more.) We could harness this for potential contributors: put the overhaul effort at Draft:History of anime distribution in the United States rather than userspace, and redirect List of anime distributed in the United States to it using {{R to draft namespace}} which becomes {{R from move}} after completion of the overhaul. — 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 19:17, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that a history merge would collect the page history together. Flatscan (talk) 04:35, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It seems the article suggests its own way forward: "this is contributed to the era known as the "anime boom" which lasted from the mid-1990s to mid-2000s." Article could be retitled something like "Anime Distribution in the US Before 2010"?--Jahaza (talk) 21:01, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A simple page move isn't sufficient. The prose and the structure of the article needs a massive amount of revision (and citations) before it's remotely presentable as an encyclopedia article. Further, I don't see the merit in restricting the scope to "before 2010" as the current state of anime exportation is just as notable as the market conditions of the 1990s and 2000s, and they are directly related. Therefore they should be covered together. Joyce-stick (talk) 21:15, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Some put a lot of work into this article. In case it gets deleted, I exported the most recent version to https://manga.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_anime_distributed_in_the_United_States to preserve it. Dream Focus 00:37, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It would be better to export the full history or copy/paste the history to maintain contributors' attribution even if the original is deleted. WP:Copying within Wikipedia#Reusing deleted material (guideline, shortcut WP:RUD) applies to Wikipedia specifically, but Fandom's licensing requirements are similar. Flatscan (talk) 04:35, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I tried but the full history was too large to be imported. Dream Focus 06:12, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dream Focus: I would argue that the creator should have thought ahead of time the huge market anime has in the United States. This list was only created on August 2, we are talking about hundreds of titles that can easily be put into a newly created category (Category:Anime distributed in the United States) as most of the titles have articles for them. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:52, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Per the earlier suggestion, I've moved my working of the article out of my userspace and into draft space. It's now located at Draft:History of anime in the United States. If any discussion participants wish to assist in improving it, feel free to do so. We can also now consider redirecting this list to the draft as an alternative to outright deletion, as was also proposed earlier in the discussion.
List of anime distributed in India, while it does have similar issues to the US list, at least has sources and can be more easily reworked into a more focused article if need be. But that's an entirely different discussion. Joyce-stick (talk) 01:42, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:40, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I would wait until the draft is completed. NavjotSR (talk) 08:37, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note to closer. While I don't think that this is necessarily notable for the mainspace (I haven't looked in deep enough to determine that), the very fact that this content has been userfied will create issues with Wikipedia's licensing and the copyrights. Per WP:RUU, the page history will need to be merged to any place where the content from this page has been userfied, should this page be deleted. As such, it appears to be the case deletion will require a WP:HISTMERGE to be performed for legal reasons. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:25, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note also that the userfied copy has been moved to draft space as Draft:History of anime in the United States per the suggestion of another user in the discussion.
I was not aware of this policy regarding attribution. Had I known, I would have started this AfD first with a proposal to userfy or draftify upon deletion, rather than the other way around, but I guess the ship's sailed now. I'll be sure to keep the policy in mind for any future similar cases. Joyce-stick (talk) 23:19, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, an adequate listing of the topic. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:WORLDVIEW, and broad criteria considerations. I wouldn't oppose making a category for the titles to help with cleanup related issues. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:47, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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