Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of albums released in 2012

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is trending strongly to "keep". The claims to WP:CRYSTAL and WP:HAMMER have not been made out with consensus support. Mkativerata (talk) 21:42, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of albums released in 2012

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WP:HAMMER and WP:CRYSTAL. 99% of this list are "untitled" future albums. This article can wait until there's a bit more information about the various entries. Right now, it's too early. Singularity42 (talk) 02:15, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete An encyclopedia is for facts, not things that might happen in the future. BigJim707 (talk) 02:23, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 05:30, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 05:31, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep "An encyclopedia is for facts, not things that might happen in the future" So you'll be deleting all the future Olympic Games articles, then? For this list, remove any albums without a title (per WP:HAMMER) and leave the rest. They all seem to have a source indiciating that they'll be released in 2012, which isn't that far away (no different than List of films released in 2012). And rename the article to List of albums scheduled for release in 2012 until 1st Jan 2012. Lugnuts (talk) 06:41, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Done. Now the article is renamed to List of albums scheduled for release in 2012. Austin Snake Boy (talk) 01:46, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Nice one, Snakey. Lugnuts (talk) 07:33, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Tense issues aside, I agree that both WP:HAMMER and WP:CRYSTAL apply here. PaintedCarpet (talk) 07:47, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Just because 2012 is still far doesn't mean this article should be deleted. 2012 in American music has also been created for months, yet no one is requesting it to be deleted. Another reason List of albums released in 2012 shouldn't be deleted is that all the releases listed on that article have references. 76.191.133.247 (talk) 14:19, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep even though 2012 hasn't started yet. Austin Snake Boy (talk) 14:25, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy until 2012. It may be a sourced schedule, but mostly untitled and there is still 4.5 months to go, there could be delays until 2013, so it does fall under WP:CRYSTAL.--137.122.49.102 (talk) 15:23, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Too soon, but keep. Some of the albums planned to be released this year could have delays until 2012. 130.65.109.102 (talk) 17:13, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I feel using a category instead would do most of the trick, but I agree that this is a valid list. The thing is that at this point in time the list is so speculative that it shouldn't be in mainspace, and when 2012 does come around no item will be eligible for inclusion until it is actually released, so you can't have all these albums in the table from January 1st, you'd still have to wait to add them one by one. A possible solution could be to have two tables, one for those that have been released, and another for those that are scheduled for release that year (provided there is a solid reference to back it up), and then transfer them progressively from one to the other — frankie (talk) 20:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete 43 out of 48 albums in this list are Untitled. Plus it doesn't even list all the albums that are scheduled for release in 2012. (for example, the Sugababes 8th album) 11coolguy12 (talk) 09:22, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per 2012 and beyond in film and List of video games in development. Even though these albums are not released, they are items that are in development/recording and are well sourced. BOVINEBOY2008 15:00, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The vast majority of the films and games in the mentioned articles actually have both a title and an article per WP:NFF (and its game equivalent). Here, there's nothing except for a handful of albums. That's why it's different.--137.122.49.102 (talk) 22:37, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete just the List of albums released in 2012 article, since it now redirects to List of albums scheduled for release in 2012. Alex (talk) 20:59, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Since the List of albums scheduled for release in 2012 article was created, delete List of albums released in 2012. Mr. Metal Head (talk) 15:50, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Seeing how 2012 is not too far away, and the title change, I see no reason why this can't stay. Lugnuts also made a really good argument about why this should be kept, and I second it. Each and every one is sourced. — Status {^talk_contribs 07:36, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree too, delete since all the albums aren't released yet and today we're still in the year 2011. 130.65.109.103 (talk) 18:18, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep: WP:CRYSTAL applies here. But that also says that "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." There's almost certainty that albums will be released in 2012 and that we know the name and artist of many of them. We can eventually remove those that aren't released from the list. Dzlife (talk) 13:46, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Relisting comment: Since there have been significant changes during this week, a relist seems in order so that everyone can take the time to re-evaluate. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:54, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Beeblebrox (talk) 17:54, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just have a spine and close it based on the above. Lugnuts (talk) 17:56, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect and merge any sourced material to 2012 in American music or 2012 in heavy metal music (thats all the pages that exist with this format, see Category:2012 in music for other articles to merge content with). for any material without firm due dates, i suggest an article called "list of forthcoming albums" so the title will be permament while the content changes. same problem at 2012 and beyond in film, which must change its name each year. logically, we CANNOT call an article by this name until jan 01 12:00:O1 am 2012, and CANNOT have a lead which describes a temporal impossibility.(mercurywoodrose)76.232.10.199 (talk) 06:45, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:HAMMER and WP:CRYSTAL. Each individual album would qualify for deletion under WP:HAMMER so a list of them should go.Eauhomme (talk) 04:28, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Read the article again. There are at least 5 albums with names, so you fail both HAMMER and CRYSTAL. Still, thanks for your input. Lugnuts (talk) 07:22, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and rename to indicate "scheduled to be released in 2012" per Lugnuts. Moogwrench (talk) 06:03, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep , consider renaming. This is already September, and major releases are discussed in RSs by now. I doubt I'd support an article yet about Albums to be released in 2013, and I'm not sure about when in 2012 one could be usefully started, but that's anther question. DGG ( talk ) 16:51, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.