Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Vietnam footballers born outside Vietnam

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep, but move, which can proceed editorially. Star Mississippi 01:20, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of Vietnam footballers born outside Vietnam

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As with List of Bahrain international footballers born outside Bahrain (AfD), List of Austria international footballers born outside Austria (AfD) and List of Norway international footballers born outside Norway (AfD), I fail to see how this list meets our inclusion criteria. Fails WP:LISTN due to lack of coverage on these individuals as a group or set and also violates WP:INDISCRIMINATE and appears to be a non-encyclopaedic cross-categorisation. In other words, where is the evidence of detailed discussion regarding the birthplaces of Vietnam footballers? Seems to be a list for the sake of having a list.

This list is particularly indiscriminate as it is an attempt to include every single footballer that has ever gained Vietnamese nationality and doesn't limit itself just to those who played for Vietnam's national team. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people, Football, and Vietnam. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:43, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ - As I stated in the similar Belgium AfD, unless there is significant coverage of the TOPIC of XYZ-nation footballers born outside XYZ-nation, then any and all such lists are not notable. If reliable sources can be found on this topic, please ping me back to this AfD. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 20:21, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jkudlick: I don't know about Vietnam specifically, but it is a notable topic for some countries. See List of Lebanon international footballers born outside Lebanon, for example. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 17:48, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Agree with nom and above. There needs to be significant coverage, which I don’t think currently there is. However, if there are more sources are found, then I would be open to change my mind. Fats40boy11 (talk) 09:05, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete doesn't pass WP:GNG, just like the related AFDs. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:25, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @Jkudlick:, @Fats40boy11:, I found many many sources about the general topic of naturalized and diaspora players like [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. Naturalized and diaspora players are clearly a significant topic in Vietnamese football. Additionally, those articles are all from this year while there are many many more about the general topic of diaspora and naturalized players from the 2010s I have encountered. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 16:16, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Move to List of Vietnam international footballers born outside Vietnam, and keep per sources found above. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 18:07, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Move to List of Vietnam international footballers born outside Vietnam - we should also trim the list of all of the footballers that didn't actually play for Vietnam such as Nirut Surasiang as he is not a Vietnam international but a Thai one. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:05, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Jkudlick, Fats40boy11, and Joseph2302 following the nominator changing their vote to "keep". Nehme₁₄₉₉ 19:40, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, I still don't see why that renamed list would be notable either. Those sources don't clearly demonstrate this needs a dedicated list, as WP:NLIST requires. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:16, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how the sources don't demonstrate notability... Nehme₁₄₉₉ 20:26, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move per above. Since the nominator has voted to move, I’m more than happy to change my vote. Agree that the list will need to be trimmed of players who didn’t play for Vietnam. Fats40boy11 (talk) 19:51, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:07, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Move – Given that sufficient sources have been located to demonstrate this topic's notability and that nominator wishes to move the article, I am changing my !vote to move the article. I also concur with ensuring only those who played for Vietnam remain listed. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 20:07, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.