Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Star Trek: New Frontier characters

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The result was merge‎ to Star Trek: New Frontier. as an ATD. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Star Trek: New Frontier characters

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The list contains only primary sources. WP:NLIST requires independent reliable sources that discuss the characters as a group. I haven't found any. Mika1h (talk) 17:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, and Lists. Mika1h (talk) 17:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Star Trek: New Frontier per WP:ATD. Not all of the content should be merged, but that article relies on this one to cover the characters so some of this content should be moved to that one.4meter4 (talk) 19:11, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:21, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't know the series, but Scholar finds content for Calhoun in this context in Strange Novel Worlds: Essays on Star Trek Tie-In Fiction by Caron, ISBN 978-1476653358. I can see two of three hits in Preview, which looks like a solid three pages of commentary on the character pp. 198-200. Calhoun is also mentioned in a 2018 CBR listicle of best Trek captains. That's kinda thin, but there's a raft of Memory Alpha and other Trek Fandom, non-RS, book reviews, and other associated content with which one could certainly build a Calhoun article if one were to be found notable. Merging is obviously better than deletion, but I'm questioning whether other characters might be as notable as Calhoun, and, if so, whether there is enough RS commentary on the characters such that multiple would be notable. PAGEDECIDE would allow us to keep a list instead of two notable but thin character articles. Jclemens (talk) 01:23, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... and now I see Mackenzie Calhoun already has a standalone article, albeit one not previously WP:SS linked to the list. So, one of our options (with appropriate notice and feedback, of course) is merging Calhoun's standalone article to the list or to the series article. Jclemens (talk) 01:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as three primary sources do not an article make (after 16.33 years, no less), nor suffice to be added to another article. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 15:49, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you saying Star Trek: New Frontier is not notable and hence should not exist either? Your comment on primary sources not sufficing for addition to another article isn't policy based, as primary sources can be used when non-controversial on a notable topic. Jclemens (talk) 20:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe they're saying that it's not enough to build an article on by itself. Articles need reliable, in-depth citations from secondary sources. We can use primary sources, but that needs secondary coverage to back it up. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:42, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll let other editors speak for themselves, thanks. Jclemens (talk) 09:15, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging @Fourthords: in case they would like to clarify themselves. Daranios (talk) 11:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure I follow. Notability is not sui generis, nor is it inherited. Regardless of the notability of Star Trek: New Frontier, the discussion here is if the characters in Star Trek: New Frontier are notable as a set. If the only sources providing commentary, details, insights, etc. on the characters in Star Trek: New Frontier are primary, then we should not have an article on them, as they are not notable independently of the show they are part of. In this case, there is no reason why the article on the show should not include them. If it is a question of article length (which should be supported by reliable, independent sources), then the characters must be of such little importance - as evidenced by the fact that other parts of the show have received so much commentary or analysis but not the characters - that the portion on characters can be reduced to a very brief section. Shazback (talk) 20:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge selectively to Star Trek: New Frontier per WP:ATD. There are certainly secondary sources discussing characters like that provided above, or The Sex Is Out of This World, where there is in-depth discussion on Burgoyne (and other characters reactions). But currently I don't have the time to look myself if there is enough to fullfill WP:LISTN or not. Daranios (talk) 10:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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