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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. After three weeks of debate, pretty evenly split on opinions, and no killer arguments on either side. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:01, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of Puerto Rican slang words and phrases[edit]

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Wikipedia not dictionary - üser:Altenmann >t 06:31, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletion discussions. North America1000 06:50, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. North America1000 06:50, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. North America1000 06:50, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Editors are advised not to follow the above advise since it is against policy which does not recognize WP:OTHERSTUFF as a valid argument in deletion decisions - each topic stands or falls on its own merits and notability.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 17:33, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please be aware that WP:OTHERSTUFF is an essay, not a policy. The assessment posted above that "it is against policy" is incorrect. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 05:27, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:50, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whilst it is true that WP:NOT#DICT says that "Wikipedia is not a dictionary, or a usage or jargon guide", point 4 also says "Descriptive articles about languages, dialects, or types of slang (such as Klingon language, Cockney, or Leet) are desirable". And clearly lists are a normal part of this encyclopedia, and sometimes the lists contain short and non-notable elements as per WP:ATD-M. So therefore it seems to me that we need to consider whether this page is a "descriptive article about language" rather than a type of dictionary. I think on balance the page may need to be re-written to make it less like a dictionary and more like a descriptive article (in this case about slang in Puerto Rica). JMWt (talk) 16:34, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 01:52, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @SwisterTwister: What do you mean? That sounds like you're saying we have these lists for every language, but I don't see one for any language. Phrases and idioms for a few languages (Latin, Greek, French, German...), but even among those there are no lists of "slang words", which is intensely broad (the whole "lexicon of non-standard words and phrases in a given language"). There are Lists of English words including e.g. list of ethnic slurs which is, of course, related to slang, but if anything it's a tiny notable subset of slang. If it were significantly narrower along those lines and held to very strict standards for reliable sources, I could see keeping this, but as just "slang"? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:04, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete without prejudice to breaking into one or more much narrower lists or using some of this content in an article about Puerto Rican slang (therefore Userfy/Draftify are both fine options) - I'm not opposed to lists of words as a general rule. We have plenty of them, and they're often easy to justify on notability grounds. But "slang words and phrases" is way, way, way too broad. Most of my rationale is articulated just above, in my response to SwisterTwister. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:08, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The articles you listed above are are either not stand-alone lists or not about slang. The two you listed above that are lists aren't about "slang words and phrases" -- they're about profanity, which is a much smaller subject. The other two are articles, not stand-alone lists, so they don't need to meet criteria for stand-alone lists. If there's a problem with their embedded lists, it could be addressed locally rather than at AfD because you could remove them wholesale and still have a viable article. As for the British slang AfD, it was explicitly kept because [and the tide of the discussion turned when] it was rewritten as an article about British slang rather than just a list of slang terms. From WP:LISTGLOSSARY, in talking about the topics we should have here vs. on Wiktionary: "alphabetical, topical lists of terms, rather than of notable entities – are encyclopedic when the entries they provide are primarily informative explorations of the listed terminology, pertaining to a notable topic that already has its own main article on Wikipedia" In other words, it would need to have "informative explorations of the listed terminology" and connect to an existing article (i.e. Puerto Rican slang or something similar). Hence why I'm fine userfying or draftifying so the content isn't lost if someone wants to make such an article or narrow down the subject I've updated my !vote slightly to clarify regarding the former). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:37, 12 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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