Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Professor Layton characters

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 07:58, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of Professor Layton characters

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List of characters from an in-universe point-of-view without reliable sourcing is WP:GAMETRIVIA. It rehashes the story, already described in the individual games' plot sections. See this discussion. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 08:31, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Nordic Dragon 08:44, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Nordic Dragon 08:44, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Needs heavy cleaning and sources to be added but article subject seems to be worthy, considering it's a popular series with 9 entries: Professor Layton. The Professor Layton#Setting and characters is a stub with this being linked to as the main article. --Mr. Magoo (talk) 10:59, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- The series is popular, sure, but that doesn't mean the characters automatically are. Looking up "professor layton characters" in the custom Google WP:VG/RS search engine, I got some results. Siliconera briefly described how the characters were voiced by TV personalities. Eurogamer has good piece on the development of the series, but the information on the characters can easily be part of the main article. Another Siliconera piece described the characters. An interview with the voice actor of Professor Layton was held by NintendoLife, perhaps somewhat useful. GamesRadar has a fluff piece on video game characters you don't want as real-life friends, including Professor Layton. Siliconera again says Professor Layton suprisingly wasn't in the top 10 fan-favorite Level-5 characters. I think these couple of sources do not merit a character article by its own, but they can easily be part of the main article. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 12:18, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

However, that is a fairly specific search term. I think people rather search for the character itself. On Wikipedia, outside of this article, there is little information about the characters, with instead only brief defined aspects. Thus if you were to search for the character you would be lead to this list, would you not? Thus any search for the character is to be a counted as a search for this article. --Mr. Magoo (talk) 13:01, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If someone would be looking for the character, there's already Professor Hershel Layton. Like you say, there's little information on the other characters, so why does it have its own article? It can easily be reintegrated into the main article. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 13:19, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for being unclear there but I didn't mean Layton the character when I wrote "character itself" but any character in specific the searcher is interested in. I think it's a fairly common practice to separate the character list as its own article from the main article. --Mr. Magoo (talk) 13:22, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, only if the characters are notable and are properly sourced. There was a long discussion at WP:VG that lead to the inclusion of WP:VGSCOPE No. 6:

Lists of characters lacking secondary sourcing: Following from the above, excessive in-game details on characters is strongly discouraged. Standalone lists of video game characters are expected to be (1) written in an out-of-universe style with a focus on their concept, creation, and reception, and (2) cited by independent, secondary sources to verify this information. While character lists can include some plot summary specific to the character, these plots should not be rehashes of the video game(s) in which they appear but instead broad strokes that simplify the plots of individual games. If these requirements cannot be met, it is instead more appropriate to reduce the list to one to three paragraphs of prose within the "Plot" or "Synopsis" section of the game or series article. It is almost never appropriate to create a standalone list of characters that appear within a single video game as these can be described in the game's article.

That's why List of Mercenaries characters was deleted and List of Mafia characters was redirected. While there are 9 games in the Professor Layton series, I can't find multiple reliable sources on the creation and reception of the other characters. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 13:33, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't seen that discussion before. This is a very recent development. But I looked at some of the character lists not named for deletion there: Lists of video game characters. The sources used on those lists are incredibly general voice acting listings and such. You'd have to pretty much delete every single video game character list there is. In addition the other lists named at the discussion have very unnotable characters compared to this series. --Mr. Magoo (talk) 18:20, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've added some basic sources to begin with but I think I can find sources for many of these descriptions if I just spend enough time. Reviews and storyline summarizing articles will do well, I've found a few reviews where some of these characters are described. I think this article just needs some heavy WP:CLEANUP. --Mr. Magoo (talk) 19:46, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:34, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:35, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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