Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Presidents of Vincent's Club

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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:26, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of Presidents of Vincent's Club

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Was proded for absence of wp notablity factors. Was de-proded, without explanation as to how it met wp standards. --2603:7000:2143:8500:284F:1640:953:7AA8 (talk) 07:24, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:46, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:46, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as listcruft. Notable presidents can be mentioned in the main article (and are!), we don't need a separate list of everyone. ƒirefly ( t · c ) 13:25, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Firefly, for the second time today. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:58, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge. If we accept Firefly's argument, then it should be merged to ensure all notable presidents are mentioned in the main article - currently they are not. On the other hand, most of the presidents actually are notable even if they don't currently have articles. FunkyCanute (talk) 13:49, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Having reviewed WP:Listpeople, this should certainly be a keep. There is no such thing as 'listcruft'. FunkyCanute (talk) 13:54, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to the note/reply below about listcruft, your comment leads me to ask a question -- precisely how many people on this list, who have wp articles, do you not see on the list in the other article? Plus - you have not indicated what wp notability criteria you believe this meets.--2603:7000:2143:8500:E500:A993:E39A:99BE (talk) 17:43, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 14:07, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:SPINOFF. It’s a notable club, and the information is useful and encyclopedic. Moving the list to that main article would make that article too long.4meter4 (talk) 22:36, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Too long? How is that measured? The other article is 6,621 bytes at the moment. Much of the notable presidents here are already there. What byte size do you view as "too long"? But per wp:article size, "At 10,000 words (50 kB and above) it may be beneficial to move some sections to other articles." This is not of course any where near that. I do not see any weight in the comment at all. And moving any notable presidents missing into the other article would not expand volume such as to create an undue weight problem; nor is the other article large requiring a spin off; nor does this have many summary sections - it's simply a non-notable list, and wp:spinoff does not require the retention of non-notable lists. This said, despite my view that at the end of the day I'm not in favor of retention at all. 2603:7000:2143:8500:E500:A993:E39A:99BE (talk) 17:37, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: With a note that "listcruft" perhaps has no "official" definition, but is generally considered to be a real thing. Concerning a possible merge, I note that the proposed target article itself is also tagged for notability.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 18:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 00:40, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Firefly. Some of these individuals are notable, but not because they were presidents of this club. The fact that the only source cited in this article is a page from the club's own web site suggests that this topic is not of significant interest outside the club. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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