Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Philippines national football team hat-tricks

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The result was no consensus. Monty ₈₄₅ 17:32, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of Philippines national football team hat-tricks[edit]

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Not notable. Does not pass WP:GNG. AndaleCaballo (talk) 08:37, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A list of notable people doing a notable achivement. Part of a bigger scheme of hat-tricks by team and could easily be improved to FL status, compare with List of England national football team hat-tricks. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 09:27, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - the topic can be notable, but is not automatically, and this particular example fails WP:GNG. Also bear in mind WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Giant Snowman 07:33, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at WP:SAL and then get back to me. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 08:54, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lol. That is a MOS guideline about how to lay out these lists, not about their notability. Try and find that and then get back to me. Giant Snowman 12:26, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:LSC, a section on that page, addresses this subject, though this is just an observation on my part; I haven't considered how it might apply here either way. --BDD (talk) 16:12, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There's no doubt that such things are notable. These are things that's "if it's notable at X, then it's good enough for Y. In other words, it's apples and apples. Those who are voting for deletion mean any mention of these should be extinguished at Wikipedia. I don't think people meant that; so that's a merge. Is this list and the parent article both long enough to warrant WP:SPLIT? –H T D 12:45, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, that is completely wrong, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. GiantSnowman 13:10, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Nope. I'm not bound to abide by an WP:ESSAY. AFDs need consensus for deletion, no consensus defaults to keep. Articles existing for a long time are perfectly valid precedents. If this has to be deleted, the reasons have to be better than "because other articles have it, but this shouldn't". –H T D 13:41, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am aware that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument may be valid or invalid but if a list of hat-tricks done by international players of Australia, Scotland, Belgium, France, Japan and Romania are notable enough to warrant their own article why not by Philippine players isn't. A hat-trick is a notable acchievement. Systemic bias may be in play here since the Philippines isn't one of "football powerhouses". It doesn't matter if an article made by international players of Brazil, Bhutan, Guam or any FIFA member nation is created as long as it is sourced in my opinion which is the case of this article.--Hariboneagle927 (talk) 17:47, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, §FreeRangeFrog^croak 01:11, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:48, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what to make of this. On one hand, elevating the England version and deleting the Philippines version feels very much like WP:BIAS. On the other hand, this list looks like synthesis—most, if not all, of the references only support that a given hat trick occurred, rather than discussing the putative topic of Philippine national team hat tricks. The England article is better about this, though a majority of its references seem to only regard a single hat trick. --BDD (talk) 16:17, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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