Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Philippine-based music groups

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus for deletion. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 01:44, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Philippine-based music groups

Article fails WP:NOT#DIRECTORY. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, Wikipedia articles are not Directories of music groups. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so many useful things that do not belong in an encyclopedia are excluded. Hu12 (talk) 13:23, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete surely if anything this is a category? Srpnor (talk) 14:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, the page itself is in an existing category which does the job nicely! Srpnor (talk) 14:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep. This is a routine "List of <place> musical groups" article. See Category:Lists of musicians by nationality. --Howard the Duck 14:31, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Most places don't have a list of mucical groups article and the fact that a few do doesn't mean it's ok for everywhere to have one harlock_jds (talk) 01:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOT#DIRECTORY. This type of information is much better handled by a category, which, as noted, already exits at Category:Filipino musical groups. I realize that similar list articles exist, but many of those are not appropriate either. — Satori Son 14:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Categories wouldn't list notable entries that don't have articles. --Howard the Duck 14:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - The answer to that is to create the articles. Long lists of redlinks needing articles are not helpful to readers (see Hu12's comment and policy citation below). — Satori Son 15:02, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - No, the point is, no one should assume that the red link is unnotable, especially on list articles such as this. Otherwise, important lists that have red links such as Speaker of the Philippine House of Representatives would've been deleted.
    - Not to mention the Philippine music industry is big enough to make this list notable. --Howard the Duck 15:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia (Not a directory), so many "useful" things that do not belong in an encyclopedia are excluded or removed. An encyclopedia should, by definition, be informative and useful to its readers.--Hu12 (talk) 15:11, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        If this is converted to a category then it wouldn't look like a... directory? And the advantage of articles is that it can list red links that are notable, something categories can't do. --Howard the Duck 15:19, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Also fails Wikipedia:Lists#Purpose_of_lists "However, as Wikipedia is optimized for readers over editors, any lists which exist primarily for development or maintenance purposes (such as a list of red link articles needed) should be in project or user space not the main space" this is mostly contains redlinks and non-article entries--Hu12 (talk) 14:59, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It meets Wikipedia:Lists#Purpose_of_lists - lists are great for navigation, and this one serves that purpose well, along with all the other lists of music groups. The section in WP:LISTS about navigation uses of lists on that guideline isn't comprehensive, and it doesn't mention that lists are interconnected into a huge navigation system. The "top" couple of "levels" of that system includes many lists of "basic topics" and many lists of "topics", and branches out to include most lists on Wikipedia (the only ones not included yet are those that have been overlooked). This list fits into that navigation system well. The Transhumanist 22:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, then edit. Edit the whole article into a Wikipedia-worthy list. Starczamora (talk) 19:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Edit most groups on this list have questionable noteability and their is no content on this article... it's just a list. A catagory would work better (and would include the noteable bands not list every band that could have ever played in the phhlipines). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harlock jds (talk • contribs) 01:14, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This list is useful for navigating Wikipedia (as a table of contents or index of Philippine-based music groups per Wikipedia:Lists#Purpose of lists, and that section deals with redundancy between categories and lists). I find lists serve better for navigating than categories do. List contents are included in searches (Wikipedia's search box, Google, etc.), category contents aren't. The formatting on lists is easier to read, each list can handle more information than a single category, and scrolling is faster and more convenient (and enjoyable) than clicking through subcategories. Those waits between page displays in categories add up fast, especially if you are clicking back and forth up and down a category tree. It's better to display this information in lists. Besides, lists are much easier and faster to develop, and the data can be used in ways that is awkward with category data. The Transhumanist 22:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.