Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of One Piece episodes (US TV broadcast edition)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge. Seraphim♥Whipp 17:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of One Piece episodes (US TV broadcast edition)[edit]

Completely unnecessary and NPOV split out from the List of One Piece episodes; goes against the anime and manga MoS and unnecessary. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. -- -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Do what you gotta do. I created (split off) this article because two lists, one with over 300 eps and the other around 100 weren't fitting nicely on one page. If there's a MOS that says get rid of it, that's fine with me. Do whatever the current consensus supports but keep in mind the ridiculous number of episodes and how best to format the information. The current rules may not work well with lists this long. May need some sort of WP:IAR here, although what I don't know. Collectionian: what do the relevant MOS's specify? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contributions) 04:43, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaned up, the main episode list (which is crazy at over 300), should be split up similar to List of Naruto episodes, but first the arc issue has to be dealt with (are the official and sourcable, or fan creations? the story arc page sources out to a wikia). Once clean lines of splitting are decided, then it can be broken up into an appropriately shorter number of lists, with the main episode list losing the summaries and just having titles, while the sublists have the summaries and appropriate leads. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. Following the Naruto example is a good idea. You could just redirect and save a whole AfD although maybe there are some people who feel strongly about this article, I don't know. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contributions) 04:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anything involving edit version does seem to get a bunch of passionate voices involved. Especially since the episodes appear to be being rereleased in an unedited version, the information on the edited version is best reduced to a footnote somewhere. Delete Doceirias (talk) 05:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect and merge non-duplicated info I can see tons of redundant information, like this vs this, where only the airing date changes for the first few arcs. Notice that the US airing date can be included on the main article on the "Episode list" templates using the "AltDate" parameter: "The next notable air date, such as the first air date of an anime in English.". In other words, this can and should be solved by normal editing, formatting and partitioning on the main episode, since this split is duplicating too much stuff. It ought to be easy to make a section listing on what order the story arcs were released on the US, so no reasons for split. If an article is different on the US and the japanese version, it can be detailed on the episode summary or on a US-specific section if it's a mojar change on several chapters --Enric Naval (talk) 14:43, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Minor quible: Actually it would be the EnglishAirDate field, not AltDate. The Japanese ep template has a param just for that. :P And agreed on the differences. If the differences between Tokyo Mew Mew and 4Kids version Mew Mew Power can be summed up in the main article and cleanly covered in the episode list, so to can this series.-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 15:08, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Tokyo Mew Mew and Mew Mew Power may be somewhat different, but in terms of story and episode count, they're pretty much the same show. One Piece has story changes, not to mention 39 episodes worth of content was cut, including skipped episodes, merged episodes, what have you. For more information, check out [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matty-chan (talk • contribs) 14:25, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per Enric Naval. My comment at the One Piece story arcs AfD may also apply here. And before I forget, have a look at this nightmare. —Dino guy 1000 16:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What the...fill in your own word...that's not worse than a "monster of the day list." Blech...lots of One Piece clean up to go yet I see...-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 23:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This guide would be useful for people who only watch the dub. I know some guides merged the English and Japanese guides, but those animes have dubs that are closer to the original in terms of story and episode count, so they can be explained more simply in one article. The One Piece dub has cut and merged 39 episodes worth of content out of the show, where three Japanese episodes make up one English episode and half of a Japanese episode can be used as part of an English episode and the other half is half of another English episode... to see what I mean, check out [2]. We can't merge this. As well, another useful thing would be... like I said, story changes. In the original, Arlong shot Bellemere, but in the dub, he sent her to the dungeon. In the original, Luffy used his own blood to defeat Crocodile whereas in the dub he used his own sweat. Also, there's terminology changes. Now the dub fans can have a guide where a character in the original who was referred to as Zoro is now referred to as Zolo so they know what they're reading, since he's Zolo in the edited dub. Matty-chan (talk) 14:25, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If the list is kept, it needs to be renamed so that it doesn't violate WP:BIAS, and Funimation's episode list needs to be merged in with List of One Piece episodes, since FUNi is releasing episodes sans editing, and notes (properly sourced, of course) should be added indicating what Japanese episodes were used for each of 4Kids' episodes. Needless to say, though, I still think they could be merged in their entirety if 4Kids' episodes are handled correctly. —Dinoguy1000 16:47, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Agreed. Other series have been hacked by 4Kids, its their specialty. There is a reason there is a rather intense hatred for the company among anime fans :P That said, it is entirely possible to cover the series in a single episode list. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Matty-chan, we don't really need to list in detail all the changes, that's what people means by cruft. Make a section detailing all significant changes, like you did here. Irrelevant details should be outsourced to anime wikis --Enric Naval (talk) 04:26, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Look, I have nothing against 4Kids Entertainment or their One Piece dub, but I'm just thinking of the people who ONLY watch the dub. This guide is for them. I really don't see how we can write that three Japanese episodes make up one English episode and whatnot on a site like this. Matty-chan (talk) 14:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        We do not do a detailed break down of every last comparision between an edited dub and the original. We let people know it was done and give some general overviews of what. We are, in fact, not a guide for the people who have seen the dub or anything else. We're an encyclopedia. For the detailed breakdown, i.e. "for more information," its up to those people to decide they want to know exactly how it was edited and go find that information. We provide an overview, not the deep down nitty gritty. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        To put it in on other words: since this is an encyclopedia, the fact that the chapters were botched is a remarkable encyclopaedic fact, however, the fact that japanese episodes x,y and z were merged into episode n is not, unless there is something remarkable about that merge, like some controversy on why that specific merge was done while others weren't. --Enric Naval (talk) 18:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, Wikipedia is not a directory. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 18:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Malinaccier (talk) 14:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, redundant information. We're also not platform on which anime fans can grind their axes against whichever localization company they hate this week. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 01:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - the variant in not notable on it's own --T-rex 03:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - it's been days since the last comment was made, and concensus seems to be merge or delete. Can someone close this? —Dino guy 1000 15:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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