Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Nobel laureates by secondary school affiliation

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 18:45, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of Nobel laureates by secondary school affiliation[edit]

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This is a massive collection of original research that fails our notability requirements for lists. None of the sources treat this list as a group. Instead, they all discuss individual Nobel laurates or the universities that produced a few of them. That violates our policies regarding synthesis. Furthermore, I see no reason to keep this after the university lists were deleted. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 15:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 15:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 15:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Also, this is an obvious WP:NOTDIRECTORY cross-categorisation of two entirely unrelated characteristics (high schools are entirely and completely irrelevant, since they are not the place where anything related to the Nobel was conducted) - unlike even the universities, which might in some cases actually be relevant as the location of the research which led to a Nobel... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:45, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The topic passes WP:LISTN – see NY Post or BBC, for example. The data is simpler than that for universities because we're just considering alumni, rather than faculty too. And the university case is far from settled... Andrew🐉(talk) 16:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
At best, your sources show this should be discussed on the pages of the individual high schools (and WP:NOPAGE would also suggest that if there is some content only about the few top achievers, this is something better discussed on the page of the top achievers). They additionally do not show that a grouping of high schools by number of Nobel laureates is notable, since they only cover individual elements of it. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The NY Post is not a reliable source. The BBC is generally reliable, but that story looks like a pretty superficial fluff piece. XOR'easter (talk) 21:54, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:58, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I would have been a weak keep on the university list, but this is much more of a stretch. University affiliation at least may have the relevance of being where they conducted research or worked when awarded, but high school is never connected to the award and this is not a notable cross-categorization. Reywas92^Talk 19:35, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - agree one hundred per cent with User:Reywas92. YTKJ (talk) 20:23, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep keep per WP:LISTN. The list is focussed and verifiable.
Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability. Editors are still urged to demonstrate list notability via the grouping itself before creating stand-alone lists.
Lightburst (talk) 20:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Lists or articles which fail WP:NOT are also routinely deleted, whether they pass notability or not. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:27, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Much more than the recently-deleted list by university affiliation, this is a total pile of WP:SYNTH, a combination of two unrelated characteristics one of which isn't even defining and is frequently unavailable. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:04, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the arguments above, particularly those by RandomCanadian and David Eppstein. There might arguably be less ambiguity with deciding what secondary school a laureate was "affiliated" with than there is when it comes to universities/employers, but there's also much less indication that the connection is significant. If there's a fan wiki for the Nobel Prize, this would go there; it doesn't fit here. XOR'easter (talk) 21:54, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for failing LISTN. There is the occasional article about outliers such as the Bronx High School of Science, but no lists per se. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:55, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as fails WP:LISTN and coverage given above is just trivia and not extensive or serious coverage. Again the list doesn't do what it says on the tin. This is a list of high schools by number of affiliated Nobel laureates (am I the only one who is frustrated by this?). When will this Nobel listcruft end? List of Nobel laureates by brand of diapers used? Vladimir.copic (talk) 00:58, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this clearly fails WP:LISTN. What high schools someone goes to has almost nothing to do with them being Nobel laureate. It's not like the high school the person attended can't be mentioned in the individual laureates articles either without the list. --Adamant1 (talk) 04:01, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per the nom and @RandomCanadian The list obviously fails WP:LISTN and WP:OR, as nothing like this list actually exists in the real world. It's just a WP:DIRECTORY of WP:TRIVIA cobbled together from a cross-categorization of two entirely unrelated characteristics (high school attendance and Nobel Prizes) via WP:SYNTH. Newshunter12 (talk) 04:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails LISTN - discussion in the New York City press of "which New York City high schools have the most Nobel-winning alumni" is insufficient. The fact that the lede needs to caveat it is "very incomplete" and "highly biased" is a sign there are severe problems with the list as-is, and there's no sign of sourcing to fix it (What high school in Germany has produced the most Nobel winners? Maybe there's coverage in German, but I find nothing in English). User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 19:33, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Some Gymnasium (school)s need to be added.--14Jenna7Caesura (talk) 19:50, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is WP:SYNTH and a number of the refs don't even verify what the article claims they verify. OCNative (talk) 21:08, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails NOR and NOTDIRECTORY, there's no direct relation between the award and the high school, as RandomCanadian and Reywas92 have pointed out Avilich (talk) 01:11, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This article takes a poor idea and performs it badly. Not encyclopedic content. --Lockley (talk) 02:04, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Doesn’t appear to satisfy WP:LISTN, not to mention this is a directory of WP:TRIVIA, arguably SYNTH. Universities would be marginally better, but I just don’t see a place for this on Wikipedia based on policy. Krillzyx (talk) 22:57, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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