Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NFL on Fox commentator pairings

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 15:36, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of NFL on Fox commentator pairings

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I think we are firmly in Wikia territory here. We have a list of commentators, we have more sports coverage than you can shake a stick at, the Dolphins are still winless after pulling a Falcons Superbowl 2nd half, and we have this YUGE list of pairings? I believe we are falling foul of NOTDIR, for instance. (With apologies for what appears to be a baseball metaphor.) Drmies (talk) 15:26, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment there are also these articles: List of NFL on ABC/ESPN commentator pairings, List of NFL on CBS commentator pairings, and List of NFL on NBC commentator pairings. The CBS and NBC articles have been around since 2006, the Fox article since 2007, and the ABC/ESPN article since this year. List of NFL on Westwood One Sports announcers, NHL on Versus commentator pairings, NHL on Fox commentator pairings, List of ESPN College Football broadcast teams, List of Major League Baseball on Fox broadcasters, ESPN College Basketball broadcast teams, Olympics on NBC commentators are also relevant to this discussion. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:29, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Hmm we have an Eagles fan here--or so they claim. Tell us how much you hate Dallas, so we can verify your credentials. Drmies (talk) 15:33, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I'm all in favor of lists of commentators. They're often independently notable; there's a long tradition of writing about the quality, color, and character of the people talking about the quality, color, and character of sports events. But pairings? For lists of commentator pairings to be notable separate from just lists of commentators, I'd think, per list policy, that the concept of commentator pairings would need to be notable. And, it's ... well, not, at least as far as I can tell. So my preference in the broader sense would be to delete any pairings list where the corresponding commentator list exists, convert pairings lists to commentators lists where the former exists but not the latter (if there are any), and retain any pure commentator lists. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 16:50, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete agree with nominator and Squeamish Ossifrage. The idea of commentator pairings just isn't notable. This list just becomes an (accurate) trivia list. I would also support deletion of each one of the lists noted by Eagles247 for the same reason. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:33, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll note that of that list, at least List of Major League Baseball on Fox broadcasters is formatted in terms of pairings, but doesn't appear to have a corresponding simple list of commentators, and so is better restructured that deleted. That may be true of some of the others as well; I'm not really excited enough to dig into this mess that deeply. Olympics on NBC commentators is probably a special case that warrants independent editorial examination regardless. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 17:46, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Now up at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olympics on NBC commentators. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 01:59, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 00:20, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Eagles 24/7 (C) 00:30, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:LISTN which requires that the topic has "been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources." Here, the sources in which the topic has received arguably significant coverage are either non-reliable source blogs or sources (Fox and NFL) which in this case are not independent. Cbl62 (talk) 12:16, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There's a possibility that the list might actually pass WP:GNG somewhat as different parings are discussed but I doubt that "all" pairings are discussed. I'm going to the "common sense" argument here and going with ignore all rules and state that deletion of this list makes Wikipedia better.--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:34, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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