Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of MTV 00s music videos

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:42, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of MTV 00s music videos[edit]

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No reliable sources discuss the list of videos played on this retro channel. Fram (talk) 07:07, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music, Television, and Lists. Fram (talk) 07:07, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per WP:NOTIINFO. Nothing remotely encyclopedic about this list. Ajf773 (talk) 10:19, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All the sources I added until now are recordings that were posted on VK + the MTV 00s page from itizaps. You can't say that these sources are not reliable. Cat Manolache (talk) 10:29, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails WP:NLIST and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. No sources I can find discuss the subject of the list as an aggregate topic. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 14:41, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WHAT?! Explain why. Cat Manolache (talk) 15:19, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:NLIST: "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". I cannot find any RS discussing this topic as a group or set. If you have such a source, please add it to a lead section and we can reconsider. Per WP:INDISCRIMINATE: "merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia". In other words, it needs to have been discussed as a topic by reliable sources. As for your reply to the comment above, VK is absolutely not reliable because it is a social network; see WP:UGC. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 22:02, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not encyclopedic. The sources provided in the list are primary. FlutterDash344 (talk) 19:24, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Delete Music videos are effectively artist promotion, and Category:Songs by year already covers every song between 2000 and 2010; you shouldn't expect us to compile a playlist of the thousands of songs this network has played. VK is WP:USERGEN and 100% disqualified as a source (not even touching a current certain topic) and the only notable thing that would be noticed on MTV 00s is if they played something from 1999 or 2011 accidently...which shouldn't be cataloged in itself either. Nate • (chatter) 23:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If the sources I added are not okay, give me examples of "encyclopedic" sources, because I have no idea where I can find this kind of source. Cat Manolache (talk) 05:09, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We're not going to get encyclopedic sources for this in any manner. It's a list of videos played by a TV network, which cannot possibly sourced outside of MTV uploading its playlist video to video, which we would not think MTV would ever do, nor expect them to do. We're just not going to be able to source this, plain and simple, and it's a useless list as it's just a list of songs from the 2000s. We already have that in the categories described above and articles like 2002 in music. Nate • (chatter) 13:25, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The page has 240 views, so it's not useless. 😂

Okay, we should discuss about the sources on this page. What about www.itizaps.net, where are posted screenshots from music channels around the world (also MTV 00s)? Is a reliable source? Cat Manolache (talk) 14:16, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not a reliable source, and not a useful source for , it doesn't contain any information about the artists and isn't interested in which videos are played at all, it is just screenshots of programs to depict logos and the like. Please see WP:RS and the need to have reputable sources which discuss the topic at hand direct and in detail. Fram (talk) 15:01, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They air videos that were popular from 2000–2010. They can choose any song they want from that time range, and we don't need a catalog for this because those lists and categories are already existent on en.wiki. We're not going to be able to source tens of thousands of songs in a coherent manner through an article. Nate • (chatter) 18:42, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I read about RS, and I will say that you should accept recordings of channels posted on social media. I know that the recordings are not posted by MTV, but you can see with your EYES what songs are aried on MTV 00s. If you disagree with me, what are you gonna do, huh? Are you gonna delete my page just because the “encyclopedic sources" doesn't exist? Cat Manolache (talk) 04:02, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"If you disagree with me, what are you gonna do, huh? Are you gonna delete my page just because the “encyclopedic sources" doesn't exist? " Er, yes, that's what this discussion will most likely decide. Fram (talk) 07:20, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Probably, yes; I've already listed multiple pages where the same information is posted, and music video playlists outside of limited top 25/40/50/100 lists are usually not posted in Wikipedia articles. Yes, we can see what will air, but the average reader can readily assume all the videos on MTV 00s are from the 2000s, so it's completely unnecessary to post what videos the network plays. Nate • (chatter) 16:31, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oookay, you're right. The only thing I can do is to wait for this page to be deleted. I tried my best to create this page, but finally, I accept the deletion. Cat Manolache (talk) 17:02, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete A minuscule amount of unreliable sourcing for such a huge indiscriminate list. Not encyclopedic. sixtynine ^{• whaddya want? •} 21:50, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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