Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Halo multiplayer maps

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. v/r - T P 19:15, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of Halo multiplayer maps[edit]

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prodded by a different editor, and declined by creator.

Halo itself is clearly notable, but the list of maps is not, individual maps are not, and the vast majority of the list is completely unsourced. Gaijin42 (talk) 23:06, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as creator. To copy what I said on the article's talk page:

I created this list because I searched for it myself, and couldn't find what I was looking for. Since the title is such an important multiplayer game (it revolutionised online gaming, and the quality of the multiplayer maps was a part of that) I felt that a list like this could be useful from a historical perspective. It's also informative in another interesting way - it illustrates how the game played a part in the rise of separate-purchase downloadable content. Similar, less comprehensive lists have been deleted in the past (such as a list of all the multiplayer maps found in one of the titles, Halo 2), but no list as complete as this has been created before. I believe it is this that makes it a useful part of the encyclopaedia.

In addition to this, I'd like to point out that some of the maps are arguably notable (such as the map which serves as the setting for Red vs. Blue).

I don't think of the list as finished. You are indeed correct in stating that the list is largely unsourced, but sources do exist; I just haven't gotten around to adding them yet. Perhaps you could add a few?

Overall, I feel that this list adds to the informative value of the encyclopaedia and is more than just fancruft. Basalisk ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 23:36, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree that some subset of maps are notable, and perhaps multiplayer maps and a selection of the most notable are great cantidates for inclusion in the larger halo article. Theoretically I could also see a valid "multiplayer halo" fork in general if there was sufficient coverage in gaming mags/sites or even better mainstream media regarding multiplayer aspects - in that context this information could be added without issue I think. I just don't think its notable enough for a standalone list. Gaijin42 (talk) 00:00, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, as I noted when I originally prodded, the list does not demonstrate why the maps in themselves are independently notable (remember, notability is WP:NOTINHERITED). Even if the multiplayer aspect of the game has been praised, how is listing the names and features of each map different from a WP:GAMEGUIDE? Axem Titanium (talk) 23:40, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to Gameplay of Halo or Multiplayer in the Halo series per hahnchen. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:42, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also, just wanted to declare that I added this to the list of deletion discussions on the video game WikiProject, just in case that's considered a "big deal" somehow. Basalisk ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 23:45, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This is better suited for Halopedia. Unless there is sufficient coverage for the maps themselves it's unnecessary article spinout. I love Halo in general, but a policy is a policy. --Teancum (talk) 00:13, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 04:54, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 04:54, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep While these days I normally throw up my hands and resign myself to the fact that the Ivy League Uber Alles mentality of WP will never give computer games a fair shake (Chess, Golf, Tennis, etc game guides abound on Wikipedia, for example, despite WP:GAMEGUIDE), I actually found a citation for the very first map name I searched for : Blood Gulch : http://kotaku.com/5581286/blood-gulch-returns-in-halo-reach . Had I searched for all of them and found similar results, I would remove the 'weak' from my Keep, but I really cannot be bothered. Anarchangel (talk) 09:54, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - But refactor. The focus of this article should be really to listing the release dates and contents of the Halo series' numerous DLCs. These are currently found (and sourced) in sections of our featured and good articles, such as Halo_2#Cheating_and_updates, Halo_3#Downloadable_content and Halo:_Reach#Downloadable_content. Having these in an easily digested list would be preferable to the blocks of text we currently have. - hahnchen 21:24, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- But why is this notable, except as inherited from the popularity of Halo? Axem Titanium (talk) 20:18, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - How is List of songs in Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock notable, except as inherited? How about Gameplay of Eve Online? There will be reliable sources which discuss the release of the map packs, such as these reviews. We present things in a summary style, so it may not fit into the main article. It might be worth moving the article to something like Multiplayer in the Halo series. - hahnchen 20:38, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - I think a "gameplay of" article is more inherently notable than a list of Guitar Hero songs, but that's just my opinion. Gameplay of Eve Online does not establish its notability either, but that's a separate discussion. I would not be opposed to a well referenced "Gameplay of Halo" article with development and reception info. Changed vote. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:42, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete per WP:NOTGUIDE. a random list of multiplayer maps of Halo is clearly irrelevant and holds little to no value. Hanchmen to counter your argument with Guitar Hero 3 songs list, the main aspect of Guitar Hero are playing the songs through the guitar/drums/mic controller. When in this case, multiplayer maps are just a feature. A feature that holds even less important compared to the songs in guitar hero as it's a rhythm game. if this was a "list of songs in Call of Duty" may agree with you, but it's completely different compared to something that revolves around the songs. Granted Halo's success has been shown to be successful due to multplayer features. But a list of multiplayer maps? Even if it is successful, due to multiplayer features, how can we make an article based on that sole fact? it'll become WP:SYNTHESIS. Grabbing little information from several articles and turning it into one article. And even then, moving sixths wont do no good at all, it's practically making a whole new article.
- Note Some of you vote "keep" but your reasoning is actually making an entirely new article. Considering that the only references are being used n the lead to cite that multilayer features were a key to Halo's success.Lucia Black (talk) 18:58, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'd recommend deletion. I think Hahnchen has good points, but from what I've seen there simply isn't enough in the way of non-trivial development information and reception to form a cohesive article about a multitude of different game's map offerings. It's already contained in summary at the respective articles, and I don't see the benefit of creating another article. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 03:16, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: If it can be reliably sourced, why not? p b p 19:39, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the article, but purge entries unsuppported by a detailed third party review. Stuartyeates (talk) 22:09, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the "relable sources" don't cover much relating to "multiplayer maps". Have any of you actually read the reliable sources?Lucia Black (talk) 01:41, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as, currently, a game guide - a mere list of content with no analytical value whatsoever. If (as has been argued) this could be about "Gameplay of Halo" or "Multiplayer in the Halo series", or about how the game revolutionised multiplayer etc., then this would be a completely different article which would contain real-world-oriented, sourced prose, not just a list of game content. In other words, it would need a complete rewrite - see WP:TNT. Sandstein 09:23, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.