Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Game Grumps serials

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The result was delete. Tone 21:02, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of Game Grumps serials

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Extremely long article yet none of it, I'm convinced, has been covered by reliable sources. This is very detailed, but any coverage this gains in reliable sources is better served in the main Game Grumps article. wumbolo ^^^ 14:02, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete A few examples of games that they have done is sufficient in the main body. We can't catalog all their game series which individually have nearly zero recognizition on their own. --Masem (t) 14:18, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Blatantly stupid attempt to woolpull a 'List of Game Grumps episodes' fancruft by using a different title. Nobody uses the word 'serial' this way (this is the first I've ever heard of it anywhere), and this has zero difference from youtube.com/user/GameGrumps/videos. Nate •(chatter) 14:21, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
(Personal attack removed) Floipoid (talk) 03:49, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - its one giant example of WP:GAMECRUFT. We're not a giant catalog or fansite covering every video game they've done a Youtube video of, and it doesn't do the reader any good offer a bare list with no real context either. Most of all, like Masem says, the sourcing just isn't there - sources sometimes cover the show, but not each individual episode like this. The fact that the article is over 360,000 bytes in size with only 15 refs, most of which are first party sources from Youtube or Reddit, is all the proof you need really... Sergecross73 msg me 14:37, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – I'm not really the kind of person who calls things "cruft" in AfD discussions, but—this is cruft. (though I must say—at least it uses en dashes correctly in the lead. . .) ^Semi_Hypercube ✎ 20:10, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It’s helpful. If you don’t wanna read it just don’t. Why would anyone care about an article? Do you not have anything better to do — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.12.205.51 (talk) 20:35, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"If you don't wanna read it just don't"? Striking out clearly unsubstantiated keep vote. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 09:38, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per other "delete" recommendations above. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:25, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I want someone to tell me what about the article specifically violates the Reasons for Deletion detailed in this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Reasons_for_deletion without using Wikipedia jargon like cruft. I don't think it does. At the very least, I would think it should be merged into Game Grumps or tagged more appropriately as needing sources, not deleted. It's a long comprehensive list of episodes that you can verify exist by seeing that they are published on the Game Grumps' youtube page, and they are also catalogued on IMDB. It's a notable enough list for the wiki page to be updated religiously with each new episode that comes out. Furthermore, Serials seems like the most appropriate word to use to me, what else would you call a series of their episodes, I guess besides a "Series"? And even then you don't need to delete the whole page over it. Floipoid (talk) 05:22, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:ATA for arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, like WP:ITEXISTS and WP:ITSPOPULAR. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 09:38, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I just don't see how this article is different from the "List of (show name) Episodes" that accompanies every TV show on Wikipedia. Floipoid (talk) 06:25, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Because every episode of those TV shows gets at least a couple of reviews in reliable sources. wumbolo ^^^ 14:46, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I actually understand what you're talking about I think. There's not really any coverage of Game Grumps episodes anywhere. Much as I hate to see such an exhaustive and comprehensive documentation of game grumps episodes go away, I guess it might not really belong as an article since the documentation is being done originally on Wikipedia and not somewhere else. Unless some fans like, decided to start writing about game grumps episodes in an editorial context somewhere else first. I removed my vote :'( Floipoid (talk) 03:49, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is a summary of episodes that is comprehensive and easier to find specific information on than their YouTube site. TdanTce (talk) 03:39, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's aim is not to be a WP:DIRECTORY. That it is easier to navigate doesn't mean it should stay. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 09:38, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fancruft and too much information. Anything here can be covered in the main article. JC7V-constructive zone 18:35, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This looks like a WP:SNOW case: it's an incredibly long list about every episode Game Grumps have put out. No additional information, barely sourced, besides mostly sourced by the medium itself. WP:NOTTVGUIDE essentially. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 09:38, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like the WP:NOTTVGUIDE argument isn't super applicable. The only points I think might fit this article are 1, though I argue that this list isn't about loosely associated topics since it's all Game Grumps episodes; 4, though I argue that this article isn't about upcoming programming but only episodes that have passed thus not advertising programming; and 7, though I argue that the context is that creating episodes of a show is pretty much Game Grumps' main thing. Floipoid (talk) 03:49, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: It's a list of episodes on the Game Grumps show. I don't see why reliable sources matter when all of them are on the Game Grumps channel itself. It's a very helpful list, as they increase their amounts of series and episodes, and it becomes harder to keep up with them.-K-popguardian (talk) 22:33, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This fails a lot of things we are WP:NOT. Wikipedia is not a directory, nor is it, to respond to a couple keep arguments, a web host. SportingFlyer talk 07:58, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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