Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Emirates SkyCargo destinations

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The result was redirect‎ to Emirates SkyCargo#Destinations as a natural ATD, without prejudice against a selective merger. Owen× ☎ 12:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Emirates SkyCargo destinations

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP, common sense.

Common sense is failed because this is a cargo airline that will fly cargo to anywhere you pay them the money to fly to, whose services mostly over-lap with the Emirates passenger airline. The historical development of the services of this company are already summarised in Emirates_SkyCargo#History, so there is nothing that needs merging here.

WP:NOT is failed because this is a complete listing of the services of a company. As such it is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". It is also an indiscriminate listing - all destinations are listed without any attempt to summarise them which is against WP:IINFO.

WP:NCORP (which applies to the services of companies as well as the companies themselves) is failed because none of the sources here are independent, third-party, reliable sources. This article is entirely sourced either to the company website or to run-of-the-mill articles based on company press-releases and statements and trade-press coverage. Additionally, many of the links are 404, making them fail verifiability. FOARP (talk) 08:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Business, Transportation, Lists, and United Arab Emirates. FOARP (talk) 08:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. FOARP (talk) 08:25, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom: numerous WP:NOT violations. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC) [reply]
This is not "A resource for conducting business" so NOTCATLOGUE does not apply. We provide information about products and services in countless places on Wikipedia, and when presented neutrally as an overview like this it is not a forbidden. "a complete listing of the services of a company" FALSE. A complete listing would include when these flights are, what it costs to ship with them, what planes are used, etc. This page cannot be used "for conducting the business of the topic of the article", it is merely places they fly. I would agree there is limited notability for cargo routes that would require a standalone article, with limited coverage outside trade press, but this junk argument is not grounded in policy. Reywas92^Talk 14:03, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Reywas92. I think the argument that this is not useful for business might have more weight if others had not argued repeatedly over the years that these lists should be kept precisely because they were useful for doing business (to pick one example from many - "These lists are good sources for the travellers and even for the airline companies, since they are even not aware of where they fly to.")

"We provide information about products and services in countless places on Wikipedia" - this is the classic WP:WAX argument, but it is also wrong in that whilst we certainly provide information where due, we don't typically aim to provide complete and exhaustive listings of the goods and services of a company. In reality, when, for example, a complete listing of Happy Meal Toys came to AFD, it got deleted. Twice.

"A complete listing would include when these flights are, what it costs to ship with them, what planes are used" - All you're saying here is that there's more that could have been added to the catalogue we have here, not that it isn't a catalogue of services that Emirates SkyCargo performs. Indeed, what we have here is more or less the data Emirates provides on its website about its "network", which is why the Emirates SkyCargo website is the source for nearly everything on this page. FOARP (talk) 16:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTDB. This is no more than Emirates SkyCargo's destination map in list form. Wikipedia is not meant to be a repository of airline destinations. Also we shouldn't be keeping a record of every place this company has flown to in history. Sunnya343 (talk) 03:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right. This is something I don't think has really been discussed. It is often asserted that listing of previous destinations are of "historical interest". If that was really the case we would see articles from academics and historians covering them, but we don't. Assembling a list of all services ever offered by a company is basically original research and an WP:NLIST fail. FOARP (talk) 08:47, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and/or merge to Emirates SkyCargo#Destinations. While I agree that this is not appropriate in a standalone article, it is more than reasonable to have some list of destinations in the article on the carrier itself. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:06, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.