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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Moot. Being handled editorially as discussed below and with agreement of all parties. Star Mississippi 02:41, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of ESPN College Football on ABC personalities[edit]

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Completing a six-article AfD on behalf of an IP. At the talk page, the IP left this rationale for deletion:

Not only are there too many of them, but most of these articles are redundant with ESPN College Football on ABC, List of ESPN College Football broadcast teams, and ESPN College Football. I tried merging various articles into the latter two but got radio silence, therefore deleting them is the next best option.

Also included by the nominator are

Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:44, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people, Television, and American football. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:46, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think this is bundling way too many different issues here, although I appreciate User:Sammi Brie was just following the IP's directions. Half of this is a LISTN issue, and the other half is a NTV issue. I think some of these could definitely be merged/trimmed, but then the IP also throws in Saturday Night Football, which is one of the biggest sports programs in the country and is easily sourced. At risk of annoying the IP through additional bureaucracy this particular AfD won't succeed and I wonder if we should try to start a different discussion. Alyo (chat·edits) 20:25, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Start a different discussion we absolutely should. Probably on the WikiProject you mentioned on my talk page. A WikiProject I had absolutely no idea existed BTW. 100.7.36.213 (talk) 20:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    How should this AfD be split up? The two lists, the three other articles...should Saturday Night Football just be withdrawn? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:41, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    What do you think, Alyo? 100.7.36.213 (talk) 20:46, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I think the best place to start would be with List of ESPN College Football personalities/List of ESPN College Football on ABC personalities/List of ESPN College Football broadcast teams. There has to be a way to trim/merge those, and I'm happy to start a discussion with you on the CFB project talk page. If that doesn't go anywhere, we can come right back to AfD. I don't think you're going to be able to get consensus to delete ESPN College Football Thursday Primetime/ESPN College Football Saturday Primetime/Saturday Night Football, as those are major national television broadcasts, but I also don't want to predetermine the outcome of anything here just because I say so. Maybe we reopen your merge proposal of Saturday Primetime and Thursday Primetime into ESPN College Football? Either way, like I said, definitely agree with you that the lists of personalities should change. Alyo (chat·edits) 16:12, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think there's reasonable arguments for merging various of these things together, but I agree with the above discussion that Saturday Night Football shuld very clearly be unbundled from this. matt91486 (talk) 18:28, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I've striked it. 100.7.36.213 (talk) 18:49, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I just removed the deletion tag on the article, so there are now two lists and three other articles. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:52, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural Keep As an inappropriate and poorly done bundling of only tangentially related articles. No prejudice against speedily renominating them in a more appropriate fashion. Smartyllama (talk) 23:38, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 01:18, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:09, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. @Liz: I think this should just be procedurally closed instead of relisting again. The CFB project is aware of the issue, and I think there's interest in merging the various articles, but this AfD is just standing in the way. Mackensen (talk) 15:08, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I would support this as well, having merely completed the IP's nomination. If an AfD of this complexity is impeding project-level consensus, is poorly constructed, etc., then it's probably worth ending. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:59, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but what is the policy basis for closing this discussion? Liz Read! Talk! 05:09, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Liz I think we have a consensus (both of the editors involved as nominators, plus four other commenters) for a procedural close/"keep and allow other merge discussions about these same articles to continue". As of now, no editor is advocating deletion, and based on two relistings that seems unlikely to change? It's nearly impossible to have discussions about all of these four/seven articles in the same space, as they deal with different notability requirements (lists vs articles) and will likely involve different merge discussions. So if you want a specific policy to justify a close, I think this nomination fails WP:BUNDLE. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:26, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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