Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Dutch Comedians

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The result was Keep. People should take a closer look at WP:LISTS. If there are Dutch comedians worthy of an article, if Dutch comedy is a notable topic, then a list is in general perfectly acceptable. It is not the same as a category, since it can include redlinks, and can include more info than a category. I'll move it to a better capitalization as well. Fram (talk) 11:59, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Dutch Comedians

Humour may be subjective, but notability appears to be lacking here. Ecoleetage (talk) 12:54, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would have to disagree as these comedians are starting promising international carreers, or already made notable appearences in UK and USA. For example, Raoul Heertje is well known in the international comedy scene, Hans Teeuwen has made a succesfull international start in London and will be performing in the Edinburgh festival with Micha Wertheim. As they all speak English fluently I think they can be expected to make notable contributions to the international comedy scene. Evazwaving (talk) 13:07, 20 June 2008

Keep It could be better done, but there's nothing wrong with this list or having it as part of Category:Lists of comedians.--T. Anthony (talk) 13:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A perfectly good subject for a list. I also don't see why it should be limited only to those who perform in English. -- The Anome (talk) 14:19, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The article is named "List of Dutch Comedians", but then goes on to say that it is "a list of Dutch comedians who perform in English more or less regularly". In either case I think it would be better served by a category than a list. -- JediLofty ^User_Talk 14:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigational templates and Wikipedia:Lists#Purposes of lists. Lists have a function at Wikipedia. I've heard the desire for them to be obliterated in favor of categories for the last three years, but it's not happening--T. Anthony (talk) 15:22, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - seeing as there is no article on Dutch Comedians there is no reason to believe that this is notable. Also the non-clear inclusion guidelines do not help --T-rex 17:03, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

By this logic there should be no List of British comedians either as there is no British comedians article. Granted we have no article for Dutch comedy, but that doesn't mean such an article is impossible or non-notable.--T. Anthony (talk) 05:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. To make a list somehow different from a category, the list must include text beyond a link to an article. The category serves the same purpose and is in fact more useful. Corvus cornix_talk 20:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question Would someone be kind enough to explain to me the difference between a list and a category? I would be delighted to make 'Dutch Comedians' a category if necessary. Evazwaving (talk) 15:08, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is a category. The positive difference between a list is it allows for annotation and red-links. Compare List of HIV-positive people to Category:HIV-positive people or List of Portuguese monarchs to Category:Portuguese monarchs. The negative difference is it can become too long to download easily and some people just think they're bad.--T. Anthony (talk) 17:04, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.