Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Dublin Gates

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 01:38, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Dublin Gates[edit]

Delete - A list of non notable "gates" with no reliable sources for verifiability Balloholic (talk) 21:42, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep There is some historical significance to the seven city gates in Dublin, because they used to collect tolls from persons coming into the city [1], although all but one of the gates was torn down later. However, the article has no context and hasn't seen much improvement since it was put up four months ago. If nothing is added, let it go. Mandsford (talk) 22:31, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge. WP:BEFORE says a nominator should attempt to find sources before nominating an article. Since these are obviously structures from before the internet age, it's quite possible the majority of sources are paper not readily available to you. Also, city gates have historic significance. The existence of at least one of these can be confirmed "city+gate"+dublin&btnG=Search+Books so I'd suggest that unless more information about these structures is presented, they should be merged in the history section of Dublin. - Mgm|^(talk) 23:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, or weak merge, certainly not a well known topic that I never remember hearing of previously. ww2censor (talk) 01:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure we should delete everying WW2censor hasn't heard of, I bet they were well known when they existed. Here's a source for one. [2] Juzhong (talk) 01:58, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Having lived in Dublin for more than 40 years with an interest in history of the city, Juzhong, you should AGF and be civil not criticise my opinion if you don't know me or my knowledge. Supply V sources and some details and I will be happy to keep. BTW, Balloholic, my hair may be grey but I was not around Dublin in the 1930s! ww2censor (talk) 04:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Xyr comment was perfectly civil, and you outright told everyone that your knowledge was lacking, so your accusing people of assumptions about what you know hardly has a good foundation. Your rationale was (and remains) a bad one that has no support in Wikipedia:Deletion policy whatsoever. This isn't an encyclopaedia of what a random set of editors at any given time might have personally heard of. That route leads swiftly to chaos. Hence the reason that deletion policy has never included any such reason for deleting, or indeed keeping, things. Uncle G (talk) 05:22, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - If you say so, but imho I thought it was not very civil. I don't see where I told everyone that my "knowledge was lacking" but I assume this is your own synthesis. Regarding my reasoning, I took into account the nom's reasons and I saw that there were no decent verifiable sources. Additionally I have been unable, even since then, to find anything verifiable in addition to my knowledge. As I also wrote, I am absolutely prepared to go with a keep if someone better than me can provide some details and V sources which is what we need for this to remain. Generally I am an inclusionist and don't support deletion unless warranted. ww2censor (talk) 06:05, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and add proper sources, which should not be difficult--any history of the city would do very well. People should search at least a little if the field is unfamiliar, before nominating. We could almost certainly have a perfectly good article on each individual one of them, as with other important historic structures even if they do not currently exist,because notability is permanent. DGG (talk) 04:33, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The topic seems notable enough, as are fortifications of any major historic town. The article has much room for improvement though. I can't even tell from it whether the gates still exist or not. — Kpalion^(talk) 19:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keepper WP:COMMONSENSE. I can't imagine how anyone could not consider this a notable subject. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article does not even tell us which gates are real and which are fictional. I could easily add Z-Gate or Lynott Gate or Edgegate or Eddie Hobbs Gate (which would be in Cork) ad nobody would be any the wiser. If Ww2censor has been around since the 1930s and cannot remember them then how can they be notable? --Balloholic (talk) 01:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 04:31, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 04:31, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and expand. Notable topic that's worthy of more than a simple list. Themfromspace (talk) 04:39, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- I presume this is a list of the gates in the walls of Dublin when it was a walled city. It is only a stub, but it could be a useful one. I expect that the gates were demolished so long ago that little is known of any of them, but the article might be expanded to cover the Walls of Dublin, featuring its gates. Peterkingiron (talk) 00:19, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I think the title is unfortunate as it presumes a list and perhaps not much else. However, there is a great deal of valuable history about the walls of Dublin and its gates, not available anywhere else on Wikipedia, which I think could go in here. I myself have old drawings and maps showing the gates and would be prepared to upload a selection as soon as I get the time. Hohenloh
- Bravo. This is by no means the worst and is like Dublin quays in that as soon as I get those bloody quays deleted they will be collectively in that article and I don't want to see individual gates. --Balloholic (talk) 15:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.