Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Clow Cards

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy close nominated by a blocked sock. Someone else is of course free to start a new AfD if they desire. JoshuaZ 15:48, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

List of Clow Cards

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List of non-notable fictional cards. Article is a listing of cards with their in-universe purpose and their role in the plot with no real-world context or significance, which fails WP:NOT#PLOT. No substantial coverage in secondary sources to indicate notability per WP:FICT. Without such sources, it's impossible to rewrite or cleanup the article in such way that it doesn't fail WP:FICT and/or some clause of WP:NOT. Doctorfluffy 04:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, as it is non-notable, in-univese material. -- Mikeblas 09:48, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
• Merge per WP:FICT into Clow Cards, which is the parent article this forked from (and acts like an index page for, really). —Quasirandom 16:40, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

(editor of article) want it to be deleted, was going to replace the three seperate articles into one, but it ended up to be too large and didnt know how to delete it, and also redirect pages back to origonal pages with the pictures for visual aid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph mitchell9 (talk • contribs) 17:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Could you amplify on that a little? Which three articles are you trying to merge to where? If you ask a little more clearly, perhaps a kind person could step in and assist. —Quasirandom 18:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

• Merge into Clow Cards. I don't see the need to have the list separate from the main article.--Nohansen 15:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• Trim and merge. A full copy, as it is now, can easily be placed on the Cardcaptor Sakura Wiki (which is a bit dead right now, but I'd like to work on it after the Digimon Wiki is set up), so the detail will still have a home. -- Ned Scott 21:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Keep: The nominating user appears to be unaware of the significance of the franchise or the chards place in it. The Clow Cards are secondary are characters (lists of secondary characters have been established as notable by past precedent and appear for almost all long running series such as south park or the Simpons) who may not be notable individually, but are collectively more than notable enough to have a page to themselves.

Let's be serious. CCS comprises of 2 series of graphic novels and 2 animated series, both of which have been released in multiple languages across the globe. It has spawned 2 movies, 7 video games, more merchandise than you can shake a very large stick at, and the Clow cards are right at the center. There wouldn't be a franchise without them. Of course they are notable. 99% of the nominators complaints are simple content issues, it would be much more sensible simply to fix the entry rather than to suggest getting rid of it. I did pretty much all of what is missing last year (as an IP only user, I think), but "somebody" said that the page was too big and deleted most of it. Anybody who thinks that this page can't be fixed likely isn't aware of the series.

On a purely practical basis, merging would make the main CCS page bloatworthy. It'd be a prime candidate for a split which would simply start this whole cycle off again.

perfectblue 19:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Even assuming the cards themselves are notable, you didn't really address the concern that this article is entirely WP:NOT#PLOT summary without real-world context or significance. As notable as this series may be, or the cards may be within the series, it doesn't change the fact that is an extensive plot summary. Forking off content from a main article is acceptable per WP:FICT for formatting/style issues, but not when all that extra content is just going to break policy. Doctorfluffy 20:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

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