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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Participants are divided here but I see a consensus to Keep this article however it might be due for a change in its article title. Please start a discussion on the article talk page and share your ideas. Liz Read! Talk! 03:14, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of Bluebird record-breaking vehicles[edit]

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Very odd and confusing WP:INDISCRIMINATE WP:COATRACK article; basically a severely bloated disambiguation for vehicles named bluebird that also attempts to discuss the Campbell family who drove them and ALSO attempts to discuss the record-breaking nature of the vehicles. The only thing tying anything together here is a name, a common family ownership, and a proclivity for breaking speed revords. Dronebogus (talk) 07:55, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

However odd or confusing it may appear to you currently, this is a largely cohesive and discriminate collection of information about a notable and very specific series of vehicles used by the Campbell family for record breaking. You are correct in that otherwise the only thing tying these vehicle together is the name, but in this field, that name is both notable and significant. Mighty Antar (talk) 09:03, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Even if it is notable, it looks like a draft— very messy and directionless. It should probably be draftified and WP:TNT’d, up to and including the title (which makes it sound like “Bluebird” is a brand) Dronebogus (talk) 09:10, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say SOFIXIT, but please, don't even try. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:04, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep AFD is not cleanup. The article does need a bit of cleanup and a better introduction writing, but nowhere near the TNT mentioned above. Thryduulf (talk) 15:55, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:NLIST. There's no such family list out there in the "wild". The "Blue Bird"s could be added to Malcolm Campbell, along with a brief mention of "Bluebird"s in his family, as well as in Bluebird (disambiguation). (Then there would be an outbreak of happiness?) Clarityfiend (talk) 20:29, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep pending a major cleanup - maybe simplify title to List of Bluebird vehicles or similar.--Mervyn (talk) 09:54, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Honestly just rename to “Bluebird vehicles”— this shouldn’t be a list because it doesn’t deal with raw data comparisons, standard-format groupings, or chronologies. It could have a sortable table list for clarity and comparison, but it should not be a list article. Dronebogus (talk) 11:21, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed, the simplest solution.--Mervyn (talk) 15:29, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Thryduulf and Mervyn. I don't think this article is really a list, and it should be renamed to reflect this. Note however that Bluebird Vehicles is a redirect to Mellor Coachcraft and Bluebird vehicles may be ambiguous with some of the various entries at Bluebird (disambiguation)#Transportation. A7V2 (talk) 04:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - who knew Bluebirds set records?
--A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 03:18, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per CFORK/COATRACK. Absolutely no need to rehash the same information every time in a slightly new combination. The models can be listed at Bluebird (disambiguation), the details under the individual articles, and the racing activities are already in the relevant biographies. Keep it simple and keep it organized! gidonb (talk) 18:35, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, TNT to delete, AFDISNOTCLEANUP to keep, or DRAFTIFY to, well, draftity do not apply to this article since these are for rightheaded, yet wrongly executed efforts. This article is a WRONGHEADED effort and then you get in the direction COATRACK, CFORK, INDISCRIMINATE, and the like. gidonb (talk) 14:07, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:35, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:41, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to the Malcolm Campbell article, there just doesn't seem to be much sourcing for each vehicle alone. What they accomplished is notable, but we don't have much discussion outside of the individual. Oaktree b (talk) 15:01, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It seems entirely natural to me to have an article on the highly notable topic of a series of notable vehicles: boats and cars all called Bluebird and intended to break (and breaking) world speed records, operated by Malcolm Cambell and, later, his family. I'm personally perplexed why the article causes difficulty. If it was a navbox it would pass without notice but it is far better as an article. Thincat (talk) 15:32, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Thincat - although perhaps it should be renamed Bluebird record-breaking vehicles as per User:A7V2, which would allow for expansion of the useful content. Merging to Malcolm Campbell doesn't make much sense since Bluebirds were built by four different members of the Campbell family.  Mr.choppers | ✎  18:55, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep A (Personal attack removed) nomination by someone who's obviously read nothing of the content here. Do you really not see what the connection is through record breaking and the Campbell family? Andy Dingley (talk) 20:03, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Ouch. --A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 22:10, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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