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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was The question of whether the ability of lists to annotated is worth the cost of list/category duplication is old one, thoroughly argued. Ultimately, the weight given to the benefits of annotation is a subjective one: some will find this feature more useful than others. On a question of subjective cost/benefit analysis, recourse to a simple tally may be helpful: this is a rough, but fair, way to estimate the community's judgment of the subjective merit of these list. Here, 9d/4k = 69%. There is previous precedent also supporting deletion here in List of British Actors.

That said, there is one special concern regarding these lists. For at least some of them (Iran, Vietnam, Bengal), the community should evaluate the question of systematic bias; for others (particularly Jewish American, or anything-American), systemic bias is less a concern. Since these list vary with respect to a key factor, and since the raw margin favoring deletion is barely sufficient to invoke admin discretion, I will invoke admin discretion to call this discussion No consensus/default keep. Especially given concerns of systemic bias in covering the developing world, these lists should not be considered en masse, but separately. Xoloz 17:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of Bengali actresses (and other Lists of actors by nationality)

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This is a follow-up to the AfD Discussion on List of British Actors (and three similar lists). The result of that discussion was delete. I am now nominating the remaining articles in Category:Lists of actors by nationality for deletion. Included in this nomination are:

Until the AfD discussion on the List of British Actors, no consideration had been given to the encyclopedic value of these lists. All of these lists have categories. I believe that all of these articles are redundant as that is what categories are for. Furthermore, some lists provide an ostensible criteria for inclusion, but others do not. For consistency, these should all be deleted. Agent 86 23:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Delete - if you delete these, there are about a hundred similar ones still out there. It's opening too big a can of worms. Let's renominate all of them together and then I may well vote "Delete". Mad Jack 01:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is plenty enough. You have to nominate in like groups so folks can take a view. Where lists have been used to provide added value then I would vote keep. The point about these is that a category would do a better job. You can't generalise. BlueValour 04:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I agree a category would do a much better job. So you're saying everything in Template:Americans should go, too, i.e. it'll soon be nominated as well? (by you?) Mad Jack 04:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
BlueValour is right. If all actor pages were nominated at once more people would complain about the bulk nomination. Voting keep at this point just slows down the process pointlessly. It won't bring back List of Canadian actors or List of British actors so I don't see why List of Iranian actors should survive but not them. For one thing, actor listing have become a "craze" that needs to die down. Everyone complains about "Red links! What about the red links?!" A User on another afd put "As WP:NOT says, "Wikipedia is not a directory of everything that exists or has existed."" Just because an actor exists, doesn't mean they automatically deserve a wikipedia article. Furthermore, it's a sad fact that red links don't attract anyone to make articles. If someone is devoted enough to set time aside to make an article for an actor that isn't vanity, it's good evidence that article is worth being here. Can't use that self-pruning method on red links. ...And Beyond! 17:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I changed my vote to Delete, but I hope if these go then the X-American ones and others are next. Mad Jack 17:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, categories don't provide information about gender and year of carrier. And after all: What about the red links? Are they also found in the categories? --84.176.178.112 07:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC) 1st user contribution. BlueValour 17:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - You're asking for something that will never happen, Yuckfoo. Categories are maintainable. Once an actor article is created and checked for legitimacy, you simply add a note for a category. Lists can go on infinitely with anonymous users adding unmaintainable names on a daily basis. Nobody in the right mind will plan on spending their months preparing the red links in List of German actors (from 1895 to the present)..especially when its very likely that bundles of translations will be needed. ...And Beyond! 17:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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